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Re: [orca-list] Orca start after log in to be set using orca text setup

Hello, again,
It does seem like the orca setup procedure does include what I was asking for, although ideally I would prefer it not to require gnome to be running (I think it is to do with gconf), and then orca could start automatically on the first start of gnome.
As for the bit where I was having trouble with the text setup running, I can't work that one out now, it must be one of those things which enter a system over time but it is unclear what change (and where the change occurred) which causes the problem. I did a clean install of GRML and then continued with installing gnome and orca text set up ran without problem. In fact actually running orca -t on the machine which had the problem now seems to work, don't know why.
Also as a separate note: I was using this new install of GRML and gnome to produce an audio walk through for installing gnome on GRML, but I hit problems with gnome starting after I did the initial orca set up (I don't think this is an orca issue). As the installation of gnome on GRML doesn't seem to be a nice reliable process which I could put into an audio walk through and so will not continue with gnome install audio walk through for GRML. However I will have a look at the new debian based version of vinux and possibly put that forward as a debian based system with gnome and create an audio walk through (if none exists). 

Michael Whapples
On 28/07/09 09:54, Michael Whapples wrote:
I've just retried doing orca -t to check whether what I was meaning is done, however I now am not getting even as far as I was before, I don't even get "Welcome to orca setup". When I redirect output as suggested nothing is written to the file (except for the warning about not being able to import gtk when I run from a text console with DISPLAY unset).
I plan to make an audiowalk through for installing gnome on GRML and for that I will be using a clean system, I will report my findings from that (hopefully I will get that done before the end of the weekend, but as it requires a period of time where I will not be disturbed I can't guarantee that I will be able to report back by then). 

Michael Whapples
On 28/07/09 01:18, Willie Walker wrote:
running "orca -t" or "orca -s"? If it is when using "orca -t" then its what I meant.
Yes - the bug added the feature to the character-cell-based setup you get when running "orca -t".
Also the bug refers to orca needing gconf running to do this, so does this mean users would need to actually do this inside gnome or could they run "orca -t" from a text console (eg. ctrl+alt+f1)? My thought is this could be done before the first launch of gnome on GRML and then the user doesn't need to do anything without speech feedback, even if all that needs to be done without feedback is press alt+f2 and type orca -s.
Due to changes in gconf, I believe you unfortunately need to be logged in for the changes to take effect. I haven't tried running from a virtual console in a while, though, since I'm on a machine that doesn't have them. :-(
Also as a side note, I tried using "orca -t" from a text console but all I got was "Welcome to orca setup" and no further output (I tried setting the DISPLAY environment variable but I didn't get further). Therefore I have been unable to confirm for myself whether what I am asking for is solved or not.
Strange. It sounds like something hung somewhere. Can you retry the command and capture the output? 

orca -t > orca.out 2>&1

Will



Michael Whapples
On 21/07/09 13:22, Willie Walker wrote:

Hi Michael:
First -- many thanks for providing Orca support to people. This is what helps the community work well.
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=563128 might be the bug you are looking for. It adds an "Automatically start orca when you log in?" question to the text-based setup and was released with Orca v2.26.0. 

Hope this helps,

Will

On Jul 21, 2009, at 4:41 AM, Michael Whapples wrote:

    Hello,
    I recieved the below question (I modified the details in the
    forwarded headers to try and protect the person against spammers
    trawling the net for email addresses) and it made me think of a
    possible feature orca could add (if not already added as its been
    some time since I set up orca using orca -t).

    Basically what the situation is, on systems such as GRML where
    users install gnome after installing the system to their hard
    disk, they probably have to go through a procedure of starting
    gnome and then starting orca manually at least once before they
    can set orca to start up automatically. This procedure has no
    audable feed back for the user, so may be difficult or at least
    feel uncertain to do.

    My solution would be that as orca is able to set itself to start
    up automatically after login (IE. there is a check box in the orca
    preferences for this), would it be possible to add to the orca
    text setup a question saying, "Do you want orca to start
    automatically on login?". I feel this solution would remove any
    part of the set up procedure where a user may need to do anything
    without speech/Braille output (IE. bin text consoles speakup and
    brltty and then everytime, including first time starting gnome the
    user will have orca in gnome).

    If the feature has already been added, in what version was it
    added and then I can modify my docs for GRML accordingly.

    Michael Whapples

    -------- Original Message --------
    *Subject:*
    sorry to bother you with another GRML/gnome question
    *Date:*
    Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:25:33 -0400
    *From:*
    al Sten-Clanton <xxx>
    *To:*
    'Michael Whapples' <xxx>


    Hi, Michael!
After lots of trial and error, I have much if not all of gnome 
    installed and do indeed have Orca installed.  (I didn't even have
    to change the repositories in sources.list.) I had to install gdm
    separately, but it seems in order.  Thanks to you, I even seem to
    have the runlevel setup I want.  And, I apparently was able to use
    "orca -t" from the text console to do some Orca setup.  That's the
    good news--or, at least, it looks to be.
The bad news is that I can't get Orca talking when I go through 
    the steps of logging into gnome.  I had earlier installed the
    sound-related items your document suggests, but I hear no
    gnome-related sounds to indicate whether I've logged in correctly
    or not.  (I suspect that I have.)  I maybe should add that, when I
    did the Orca setup from the text console, I did hear the default
    gnome-speech voice I hear on Ubuntu, along with Speakup on my
    hardware synth.
From what I've said, can you tell what I might do to complete the 
    job of getting a talking GUI?  If not, what other information
    should I provide?
Thanks for any help you can give me. I add that I'm writing to 
    you individually for two reasons, that you're the closest person I
    know of with some expertise, and because I don't know what list
    would not consider the question off-topic.  Again, thanks!
         Al
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