Re: [orca-list] Another Suggestion for OpenOffice/Orca Improvement

["Krishnakant Mane" <hackingkk gmail com>]

hi Peter.


On 20/05/2008, Peter Korn <Peter Korn sun com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I found the Hands-on-Lab materials from the course I took, on-line.
> Please see
> http://developers.sun.com/learning/javaoneonline/j1lab.jsp?lab=LAB-9410%20&yr=2008&track=1
> - this lab is used not just at JavaOne, but also at the various Sun
> TechDays we run worldwide (which is why it is archived in the Tech Days
> site).
thanks.
I will look at it.
> The lab is focused on use via our open source NetBeans IDE, complete
> with a special NetBeans plug-in/wizard that makes speeds the process of
> making OpenOffice.org plug-ins - and debuggable in the NetBeans debugger
> (you can set a breakpoint in the plugin, and then examine variables,
> etc. in the debugger).
aah that would be a problem as you said regarding netbeens accessibility.
> That said, I believe all of the libraries and APIs are available from
> the command line as well, and also can be used with the Eclipse IDE.  I
> understand from Willie and the NetBeans team that there hasn't been much
> work yet on explicit Orca interoperability with NetBeans, so Orca users
> may not find NetBeans to be a particularly productive or efficient a
> programming environment today.  I know from the java-access mailing list
> that many blind users (primarily via JAWS) report good results with
> Eclipse, which uses native GUI widgets in Windows GTK+ widgets in UNIX
> environments.  As such Eclipse it may be a good choice today for Orca
> users as well.
there doesn't seam to be greate accessibility with eclipse as well as
far as orca is concerned.
I believe this is another scripting assignment some one needs to take up.
wili, ar you aware of any development on netbeens?

> Separately, IDEs in general are some of the most visually and
> structurally GUI intensive apps I've encountered.  A typical workflow
> has the content region split up into 4 or more panes, with the source
> code pane itself a tabbed list of all of the source files you have
> open.  I suspect there is a lot of research and experimentation needed
> in order to make these complex IDEs into efficient and productive
> programming environments generally for blind users.  As an aside, there
> is still a core of grizzled UNIX hackers at Sun who stick with vi/emacs
> as the core of their programming environment - even if they are writing
> in Java - and programming from the command line is still very much
> supported.
Indeed.  and that's the most perfect way to do it.   command line
hackers have much more control of the system and with emacs it is
shear bliss.  If we have intellisence for auto code completion in
command line tools, then it will be the best thing in the world, and I
believe emacs is therefore great in many ways.
happy hacking.
Kk
> Regards,
>
> Peter Korn
> Accessibility Architect,
> Sun Microsystems, Inc.
>
>
> > Hi Bertil, Krishnakant, listers,
> >
> > Existing OpenOffice.org extensions are available for download from
> > http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/ (sorted by OOo application
> > at: http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/application).  I took a
> > quick look, and didn't see any that already offer alternative keyboard
> > navigation for Writer documents.
> >
> > For developing your own extensions, see the OOo wiki on this topic:
> > http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Extensions_development
> >
> > Python programmers should see
> > http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Extensions_development_python
> > and Java programmers should see
> > http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Extensions_development_java
> > (info on using Java from Eclipse and NetBeans is included).
> >
> > You can find source code for sample extensions at:
> > http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/API/Samples (and specifically
> > examples written in Java at:
> > http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/API/Samples/Java).
> >
> > I've asked whether the contents of the Hands-on-Lab are published
> > anywhere; they used different examples than I've found poking about
> > the sample source pages.  I'll send an update if/when I get it.
> >
> >
> > Note: other than going through the lab, I haven't done anything
> > further myself, so I am no expert in creating extensions!
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Peter Korn
> > Accessibility Architect,
> > Sun Microsystems, Inc.
> >
> >
> > > On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 10:16:11PM -0700, Peter Korn wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Janina,
> > > >
> > > > OOo Writer has keyboard functionality for navigation by paragraph:
> > > > Ctrl-Up/Down arrow.  Add shift to select.  For deleting lines, Home
> > > > followed by shift up/down arrow will select lines you can then delete.
> > > >
> > > > Not the same - and in many cases not as fast - as vi.  But in case you
> > > > didn't already know about these...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Separately, I just took a "Hands on Lab" class at the recent JavaOne
> > > > conference, where I learned about writing OpenOffice.org extensions -
> > > > specifically Java using NetBeans.  One option for folks wanting more
> > > > vi/emacs-style (or WordPerfect style, for that matter) keyboard gestures
> > > >
> > > > would be to write an OOo Writer extension to encapsulate just that
> > > > functionality.  This should be a far easier task that trying to modify
> > > > the actual OOo codebase itself.  I haven't dug into the details of
> > > > making keyboard gesture modifications (the lab covered adding menu
> > > > items, dialog boxes, file translators/converters, and adding smart
> > > > tags), but it appears that most of the object model is exposed to
> > > > extension writers.
> > >
> > > That all sounds very promising. Where can one find more information?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Bertil
> > >
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