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Re: [orca-list] upgrading orca in oracle enterprise linux

Hi, Don:

Donald Raikes writes:

Janina,

Thanks for the information.

Yes it is true that Oracle should fix their platform issues, but that is why I am going through this 
exercise since I am in Oracle's QA department now. Part of my mandate is to establish an accessible local 
QA linux environment prefferably based on OEL5.


Then I would very strongly advise you to treat this responsibility
professionally and hire a knowledgable consultant who can help you
directly over the humps. I could do it, but I'm otherwise engaged at the
moment. However, I happen to know that Bill Acker is available right now
and you couldn't get a better resume for what you're trying to achieve
in OEL from anyone. Not even Fedora has an a11y person with his depth of
knowledge and experience in these issues. So, talk to your boss, or
whoever, and get yourself a consultant on the case instead of flailing
around depending on the lists and the kindness of strangers. Every other
tech department does this, and I'm sure it's common practice inside
Oracle. So, why not you?

Janina




So if I have to go through the dependency tree and buid a repository of development rpms based on fedora 
that I can install on el5 then so beit.

I will certainly go to the linux support organization and discuss the situation with them.

-----Original Message-----
From: Janina Sajka [mailto:janina rednote net]
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 7:09 PM
To: Donald Raikes
Cc: Janina Sajka; Willem van der Walt; orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] upgrading orca in oracle enterprise linux


Well, this is interesting and I think it explains the very long list of
dependencies you ran into.

Your installed system has Python 2.4, and Orca and its a11y
dependencies, at-spi, atk, etc., have moved to Python 2.5--as has all of
Fedora. I don't recall whether the move happened with FC6, or F-7, but
clearly your RHEL is woefully out of date in this regard.

Frankly, I'm not sure how to advise on this. I don't think you can build
Orca, and especially it's dependencies, any longer against Python 2.4.
FYI, the dependency chain currently looks like this:

rpm -qR orca
/bin/bash
/bin/sh
/bin/sh
at-spi-python
control-center >= 2.16.0-5
gnome-mag
libc.so.6()(64bit)
libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.2.5)(64bit)
libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.4)(64bit)
libglib-2.0.so.0()(64bit)
python(abi) = 2.5
rpmlib(CompressedFileNames) <= 3.0.4-1
rpmlib(PartialHardlinkSets) <= 4.0.4-1
rpmlib(PayloadFilesHavePrefix) <= 4.0-1
rtld(GNU_HASH)

So, Don, since Oracle is insisting on RHEL, I suspect you should drop
the problem back in their lap. After all, when we give you advice on
this list, it's not like we're helping DonRaikes as much as we're trying
to help Oracle Corp past the implications of its policies. I've been at
headquarters in Redwood City. I'm convinced they can afford to solve the
problem for you, and you should demand a workable solution. RHEL ain't
it.

Last suggestion: Run Fedora 8 plus the latest Orca chain from
development in a virtual machine. It's the best I can do.

Janina

Donald Raikes writes:

Janina and willem,

I tried to use the fedora development repository, but got a lot of errors about missing dependencies when 
I ran:

yum --disablerepo=* --enablerepo=development upgrade yum

The log of what happened is very large, so I don't want to try to post it to the list, but here is a 
snippet:

Error: Missing Dependency: python(abi) = 2.4 is needed by package rhnlib
Error: Missing Dependency: python(abi) = 2.4 is needed by package java-1.4.2-gcj-compat-devel
Error: Missing Dependency: python(abi) = 2.4 is needed by package up2date
Error: Missing Dependency: python(abi) = 2.4 is needed by package python-urlgrabber
Error: Missing Dependency: python(abi) = 2.4 is needed by package rhel-instnum
Error: Missing Dependency: python-optik is needed by package up2date
Error: Missing Dependency: libcrypto.so.6 is needed by package ricci
Error: Missing Dependency: libssl.so.6 is needed by package cluster-snmp
Error: Missing Dependency: libcrypto.so.6 is needed by package modcluster
Error: Missing Dependency: libssl.so.6 is needed by package modcluster
Error: Missing Dependency: libcrypto.so.6 is needed by package cluster-cim

There are over 100 lines like these.

-----Original Message-----
From: Janina Sajka [mailto:janina a11y org]
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 9:15 AM
To: Willem van der Walt
Cc: Janina Sajka; Donald Raikes; orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] upgrading orca in oracle enterprise linux


Agree with "should." But for various reasons, including human error
specifying things like "requires" statements, we've certainly seen
highly inappropriate dependencies being pulled in. Most recently we've
seen this with development builds of xulrunner and firefox 3 from
development.

Janina

Willem van der Walt writes:


I think it would mostly upgrade stuff and should at the end of the day not
install a lot of extra stuff.
The oracle servers these days normally have X on them anyway.
As stated before, my Redhat and Oracle knowledge is a bit dated, but I
don't think it has changed that mutch in the meanwhile.
Regards, Willem

On Thu, 6 Mar 2008, Janina Sajka wrote:


This is certainly woprth looking into. It may be that yum will want to
install far too many packages. But, you should try enabling the
development repository for Fedora and see. Do that and issue:

yum --disablerepo='*' --enablerepo=development upgrade orca

and see how much yum needs to pull in. If you're looking at a handful of
packages, you're good to go.

Janina

Willem van der Walt writes:

Hi,
I would suggest that you get the stuff from Fedora, likely the latest
version.
There should be a rpm for atspi and all the needed dependancies.  There
should also be an rpm for orca itsellf.
I am a bit out-dated with the Redhat stuff, but the Rel versions is fed by
the tested Fedora stuff.
Regards, Willem


On Wed, 5 Mar 2008, Donald Raikes wrote:


Hi all,

Sorry if this is a duplicate of earlier questions, but I haven't been able to locate any info on 
this.

I have been trying to find any notes on how to upgrade orca for oracle enterprise linux.

OEL5 is based on rhel5, but with some oracle specific tweaks.
The version of orca installed by default is orca-1.0.0-el5.

A couple of weeks ago I tried to compile orca 2.21 and had issues with pyatspi which I could 
never get resolved.

Is there a specific list of packages I absolutely need to compile and which order they should be 
compiled in?


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Marketing the Owasys 22C talking screenless cell phone in the U.S. and Canada
Learn more at http://ScreenlessPhone.Com

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