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Re: Orca -list Digest, Vol 14, Issue 39

Friends,
I think One dedicated group should be there to test applications on
different operating systems.


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Today's Topics:

   1.  What happened to the Acroread script? (hermann)
   2. Re:  What happened to the Acroread script? (Joanmarie Diggs)
   3. Re:  What happened to the Acroread script? (hermann)
   4.  ff3 testing platform (Christopher Moore)
   5.  identifying visited links (was Re: new address (was Re:
      Structural Navigation for Links has been added)) (Joanmarie Diggs)
   6. Re:  identifying visited links (was Re: new address (was Re:
      Structural Navigation for Links has been added)) (hermann)
   7. Re:  ff3 testing platform (hermann)
   8. Re:  identifying visited links (was Re: new address (was Re:
      Structural Navigation for Links has been added)) (Joanmarie Diggs)
   9. Re:  What happened to the Acroread script? (Rich Burridge)


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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 13:44:01 +0100
From: hermann <steppenwolf2 onlinehome de>
Subject: Orca What happened to the Acroread script?
To: orca-list gnome org
Message-ID: <1174049043 4956 16 camel ubuntu>
Content-Type: text/plain

Hi,
I tried to read a PDF-document, with no succes. All my PDF files are no
more accessible. In earlier Orca versions they were readable. During the
refactoring of Orca I saw a new acroread.py.
What has happened?
Hermann




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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 09:07:03 -0400
From: Joanmarie Diggs <joanmarie diggs gmail com>
Subject: Re: Orca What happened to the Acroread script?
To: hermann <steppenwolf2 onlinehome de>
Cc: orca-list gnome org
Message-ID: <1174050423 5358 5 camel pokey>
Content-Type: text/plain

Looks like another refactoring problem.  I'll send my full debug.out to
Rich as he's Mr. Refactor. <smile>

Thanks!!
Joanie

On Fri, 2007-03-16 at 13:44 +0100, hermann wrote:
> Hi,
> I tried to read a PDF-document, with no succes. All my PDF files are no
> more accessible. In earlier Orca versions they were readable. During the
> refactoring of Orca I saw a new acroread.py.
> What has happened?
> Hermann
>
>
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 14:12:57 +0100
From: hermann <steppenwolf2 onlinehome de>
Subject: Re: Orca What happened to the Acroread script?
To: Joanmarie Diggs <joanmarie diggs gmail com>
Cc: orca-list gnome org
Message-ID: <1174050777 4956 19 camel ubuntu>
Content-Type: text/plain

Hi Joanie,
it really seems as you said: I recompiled Orca from the 2.18 branch, and
PDF files are readable again.
Regards
Hermann




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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 09:32:33 -0400
From: Christopher Moore <christopher h moore verizon net>
Subject: Orca ff3 testing platform
To: orca-list gnome org
Message-ID: <20070316133233 GA4085 riley>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Hello,
Many of the problems cited in messages on this list seem to relate back
to machines
running  different variants of linux and I suppose solaris.  So during
this period of ff3 testing would it be helpful for users and developers
to decide on a common platform?  Once the testing phase were reasonably
stable on the given platform, testing could be expanded to alternative
distros.

This is obviously not a complete solution because it does not take into
account the variation in hardware, but it would reduce the vagueries
introduced by software differences.

lorenzo's experience is a perfect example of what I am talking about.
He thought that upgrading to Feisty was a good thing because he would
receive the advantages
the 2.18 gnome packages.  But the ff3 developers are apparently testing
on some other software platform.

I don't want to open up the "which is the best distro" debate, but I
would like to see a particular one endorsed for ff3 and orca testing.
If making such a policy statement would place the orca team in an
uncomfortable position, we could at least have some informal feedback
on this list from testers' experiences using a variety of distros.

Chris


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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 09:38:29 -0400
From: Joanmarie Diggs <joanmarie diggs gmail com>
Subject: Orca identifying visited links (was Re: new address (was Re:
        Structural Navigation for Links has been added))
To: hermann <steppenwolf2 onlinehome de>
Cc: Orca MailingList <orca-list gnome org>
Message-ID: <1174052309 5358 27 camel pokey>
Content-Type: text/plain

Hi Hermann, all.

Hermann and I started an off-list conversation surrounding my Comcast
issues and switching to Gmail.  But Hermann's question is one that
should be on-list I think (hope you don't mind Hermann!):

> How does Gecko.py identify visited links? Could it be a colour problem?
> I think visited links are shown in a different colour, right?

Visited links are sometimes shown in a different color; sometimes not.
In the old days they always were.  Then folks figured out ways to make
their pages prettier by controlling link colors.  <smile>

Regardless, it is not a color problem because we're not looking at the
color when determining whether or not a link is visited.  One of the
properties of links exposed via at-spi is its visited state.  The script
looks at the next (or previous) link and through at-spi says "hey, have
you been visited?"  If the link claims that it has, we stop; else we
move on to the next (or previous) link.  So, potentially the problem is
that a link is lying about whether or not it's been visited.  But I
don't think that's the case....

Is there any chance that in your Preferences dialog, under Privacy, you
unchecked the checkbox called "Remember visited pages for the last X
days?"  If you uncheck that checkbox, Firefox won't remember visited
pages and links that you visited will no longer claim to be visited.

If that isn't it.... Would you mind doing the following:

1. Go to dradio.de
2. Follow a link, then immediately press Alt Left Arrow to go back
3. Tab a few times, follow another link, then immediately press Alt Left
Arrow to go back (do this a couple of times)
4. Then try V and Shift V

Thanks!
Joanie



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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 15:10:03 +0100
From: hermann <steppenwolf2 onlinehome de>
Subject: Re: Orca identifying visited links (was Re: new address (was
        Re:     Structural Navigation for Links has been added))
To: Joanmarie Diggs <joanmarie diggs gmail com>
Cc: Orca MailingList <orca-list gnome org>
Message-ID: <1174054203 4956 24 camel ubuntu>
Content-Type: text/plain

Yeah! That privacy settings do the job.
I use to treat such settings restricted, since I don't want to keep so
many sites in my browser's cache. Maybe a bit German <smile>, but
privacy is a top issue in our country.
Hermann




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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 15:15:03 +0100
From: hermann <steppenwolf2 onlinehome de>
Subject: Re: Orca ff3 testing platform
To: Christopher Moore <christopher h moore verizon net>
Cc: orca-list gnome org
Message-ID: <1174054504 4956 29 camel ubuntu>
Content-Type: text/plain

Hi Chris,
in my view this is not very practicable. What about those people running
the "wrong" platform? Shouldn't they test at all, or shall they do it
"just for fun"?
I think that a detailed report is more useful; this of course should
include the used Linux distro.
Regards
Hermann




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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:15:45 -0400
From: Joanmarie Diggs <joanmarie diggs gmail com>
Subject: Re: Orca identifying visited links (was Re: new address (was
        Re:     Structural Navigation for Links has been added))
To: hermann <steppenwolf2 onlinehome de>
Cc: Orca MailingList <orca-list gnome org>
Message-ID: <1174054545 5358 31 camel pokey>
Content-Type: text/plain

Hi Hermann.

> Yeah! That privacy settings do the job.

Awesome!

> I use to treat such settings restricted, since I don't want to keep so
> many sites in my browser's cache. Maybe a bit German <smile>, but
> privacy is a top issue in our country.

I won't comment about privacy issues in the U.S. other than to say I'm a
card-carrying, dues-paying member of the EFF. <grin>  As for that
setting: You could lower the number of days to, say, 1.  Seems 9 is the
default.

Thanks for all the testing and feedback!
Joanie




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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 07:51:42 -0700
From: Rich Burridge <Rich Burridge Sun COM>
Subject: Re: Orca What happened to the Acroread script?
To: Joanmarie Diggs <joanmarie diggs gmail com>
Cc: orca-list gnome org
Message-ID: <45FAAEFE 9010008 sun com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> Looks like another refactoring problem.  I'll send my full debug.out to
> Rich as he's Mr. Refactor. <smile>
>

Yup, I'm guilty. A couple cases of self.isDesiredFocusedItem() need to be
orca_state.activeScript.isDesiredFocusedItem()

I've attached a new acroread.py script (untested) for you to try.

As an aside, I think we should adjust the acroread.py script so that
all the routines at the top, that are not part of the Script class, are in
the subclassed Script class. I can't see a reason why they shouldn't be,
and that
would mean that self.isDesiredFocusedItem() would work (which is cleaner).

I can just see Joanie going "but, but, you did exactly this in the
StarOffice script. I was just copying you!" In that case, those routines
are used in the subclassed SpeechGenerator and BrailleGenerator
class, and the only way to solve this (when I initially wrote that script)
was to put them outside the Script class. Now that we have
orca_state.activeScript, those too should probably be moved down to
the Script class. (What do you think on the last part Will).
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