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Re: Orca acrobat

Hi Bart.  Yay indeed. <smile>  

Thanks so much for the update and for the info about the plugin
package!!

Regarding tables:  As far as I know there's not currently a whole lot of
keyboard support for tables in Acrobat Reader.  This, by the way, is not
an Orca thing; it is an Acrobat Reader thing.  

Basically, there are the arrow keys. Their behavior is to move you first
within the cell with focus, then to the next cell with data in it.  Note
that currently, Up and Down Arrow do *not* seem to move you vertically
among cells -- at least that's been my experience with the tables I've
tried.  Instead, Up and Down seem to move you horizontally until you run
out of cells on the current row. 

For *any* user wishing to navigate efficiently within tables via the
keyboard, I think there needs to be some additional support provided by
Adobe.  That said, I am really encouraged by Adobe's continued
commitment to accessibility and am hoping that they will consider
implementing such support in their next major release. I for one would
like to be able to:

* navigate by row with Up/Down Arrow
* jump to the beginning/end of the current row
* jump to the beginning/end of the current table

Do you have other table navigation commands you'd like to see?

If Adobe were to add this support, Orca would certainly speak and
braille the cell contents as you go. <smile>

Take care.
Joanie

On Mon, 2007-01-08 at 17:05 +1100, Bart Bunting wrote:

Ok,

I've figured out what the problem was.  It appears that under Ubuntu
and probably Debian you need to also install the acroread-pluginst 
package.  Once I did this then magically all the other tabs you have
appeared and it started talking! Yay!

Well done!  Great work.  Haven't played with it much yet but it sure
works.

Quick question is there any keystrokes for moving around inside
tables?

Cheers

Bart

Joanmarie Diggs writes:
 > To follow up on my previous message, it seems like that tree table can
 > be a bit flakey.  In particular, periodically Orca stops reading what's
 > there.  That's really bad -- and something I hadn't noticed until now.
 > Sorry!!! I'll put that at the top of my acroread priority list.  In the
 > meantime, if you find that, as you are arrowing, the tree table suddenly
 > stops speaking, try arrowing in the opposite direction once or twice.  I
 > can get speech back this way.
 > 
 > On Mon, 2007-01-08 at 00:27 -0500, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
 > > Reading's not there, eh?  Yikes!  If you select Accessibility in the
 > > tree table, leave focus in the tree table, and start Down Arrowing, what
 > > do you find?  I have a bunch of things:
 > > 
 > > * Forms
 > > * Full Screen
 > > * General
 > > * Identity
 > > * International
 > > * Internet
 > > * JavaScript
 > > * Measuring
 > > * Page Display
 > > * Proxy Settings
 > > * Reading (which is what we're after)
 > > * Search
 > > * Security
 > > * SendMail
 > > * Spelling
 > > * Startup
 > > * Trust Manager
 > > * Units
 > > * Weblink
 > > 
 > > I'm curious as to how many you're missing.  The package I am using is
 > > also 7.0.8, but I got it directly from Adobe:
 > > http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html
 > > 
 > > Take care.
 > > Joanie
 > > 
 > > On Mon, 2007-01-08 at 16:20 +1100, Bart Bunting wrote:
 > > > Joanmarie,
 > > > 
 > > > Thanks.  The problem is that I don't have a reading tab.
 > > > 
 > > > Could I have the wrong version?  I'm using Ubuntu and the version of
 > > > the package is:
 > > > 
 > > > Package: acroread
 > > > Priority: optional
 > > > Section: multiverse/text
 > > > Installed-Size: 54692
 > > > Maintainer: Ubuntu MOTU Developers <ubuntu-motu lists ubuntu com>
 > > > Original-Maintainer: Christian Marillat <marillat debian org>
 > > > Architecture: i386
 > > > Version: 7.0.8-0.0.ubuntu2
 > > > Replaces: acroread-debian-files (<= 0.0.8), acroread-plugins (<= 7.0-0sarge0.3)
 > > > Provides: pdf-viewer, postscript-preview
 > > > Depends: libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.12.1), libc6 (>= 2.4-1), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 
2.10.3), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.14.4), libx11-6, libxext6, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), libldap2, libcupsys2, 
libstdc++5
 > > > Suggests: acroread-plugins, mozilla-acroread
 > > > Conflicts: acroread-debian-files (<= 0.0.8), acroread-plugins (<= 7.0-0sarge0.3)
 > > > Filename: pool/multiverse/a/acroread/acroread_7.0.8-0.0.ubuntu2_i386.deb
 > > > Size: 22905838
 > > > MD5sum: c6e2a8f6a8deefc7386f0cc68c4db56d
 > > > SHA1: 331db09db909b49a60add9921c3c1a4c830c5dd5
 > > > SHA256: 51f39f9ea1f029cd87269d8a496deab4ea70aba22e8a8b3c937dfe41188e9abb
 > > > Description: Adobe Acrobat Reader: Portable Document Format file viewer
 > > >  Home Page: http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readermain.html
 > > > Bugs: mailto:ubuntu-users lists ubuntu com
 > > > Origin: Ubuntu
 > > > 
 > > > 
 > > > Is this the same as your using?
 > > > 
 > > > Cheers
 > > > 
 > > > Bart
 > > > 
 > > > 
 > > > Joanmarie Diggs writes:
 > > >  > Hi Bart.
 > > >  > 
 > > >  > Soon I will get around to posting detailed acrobat information (tips and
 > > >  > tricks, known issues, current bugs, etc.) on the wiki, but the quick
 > > >  > answer to your question is:
 > > >  > 
 > > >  > Get into the Preferences dialog, and choose Accessibility.  I would
 > > >  > check the option labeled "always display the keyboard selection cursor".
 > > >  > Then, still within the Preferences dialog, select Reading.  There is a
 > > >  > checkbox called "enable document accessibility."  I would check that as
 > > >  > well.  Hopefully that will do it.  However, if it still doesn't seem to
 > > >  > be doing anything, try pressing F7. 
 > > >  > 
 > > >  > Depending on the accessibility of the PDF in question, your mileage
 > > >  > will, of course, vary.
 > > >  > 
 > > >  > Hope this helps!  Let me know.
 > > >  > Joanie
 > > >  > 
 > > >  > On Mon, 2007-01-08 at 15:50 +1100, Bart Bunting wrote:
 > > >  > > Hi all,
 > > >  > > 
 > > >  > > I'm running the latest svn orca but still can't get acroread to work
 > > >  > > with speech.
 > > >  > > 
 > > >  > > I can't find the enable carrot navigation checkbox that I thought I
 > > >  > > had to enable for things to work.
 > > >  > > 
 > > >  > > Can someone give me some pointers on what the required settings for
 > > >  > > acroread are?
 > > >  > > 
 > > >  > > Cheers
 > > >  > > 
 > > >  > > Bart
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