Re: I would like to call attention to a documentation bug that only the Application developers will be able to remedy/close.

First a caveat...

My system is an Ubuntu 16.04 Desktop system.

I use it for daily management of a 54 device network

of Windows PC's (10), cameras (9), scales (4), Linux DVR's (2)

  CentOS Pos system and many other Iot type stuff.

My system functions as the network router, firewall, Wifi access point

caching dns server, as well as serving all my admin needs (email, document writing

web research and more). It supplies the tunnelled components

that are remotely critical to our operation via ssh tunnels (using autossh for permanence).

This is where Ubuntu has always shined for me! Ubuntu and NetworkManager have always

been well up to the task of providing this functionality! So firstly Thanks for your efforts.

The snag that I continuously run into when setting up systems like this one is this...

The documentation for NetworkManager doesn't go into detail about dnsmasq. It's uses

and configuration, while not under the scope of NetworkManager documentation, are

critical to the operation of a system like mine. So why bother you guys?

To get my system and all its quirks configured, I have to do two things. Wait for NetworkManager to finish

configuration of the basic interfaces on my machine. Kill the dnsmasq daemon that NetworkManager leaves

laying around then start my own custom configuration of dnsmasq.

I don't like killing daemons on any system, but it is what I have to do. No amount of tinkering has lead me

to any other solution.  Two things play into this, in my mind. First, the simple fact that I can kill NetworkManager's

dnsmasq daemon (ie NetworkManager doesn't notice and restart dnsmasq) makes me wonder why it is started

with the (hard coded???) option --keep-in-foreground anyway. Second, also apparently hard coded, is the --cache-size=0.

which as I understand it tells dnsmasq not to cache dns requests.

The documentation really falls short here. No mention of dns caching, no mention of the proper way to use dnsmasq's

many many other talent's without interrupting/destroying NetworkManager. We all can see that NetworkManager has

given us some wiggle room in configuring dnsmasq (ie. /etc/NetworkManager/dnsmasq.d) but without anything in the documentation

about common usage of this we are left to endless hours of google searching of trial and error scenarios! Minimally something ought to be said

about the seemingly hard coded options NetworkManager starts dnsmasq with. Some discussion of NetworkManager design philosophy would be helpful.

Again, thanks for your time and consideration of these issues!




On 12/09/2016 05:13, Thomas Haller wrote:

On Wed, 2016-12-07 at 14:47 -0500, Calvin Arndt wrote:
NetworkManager documentation does not document proper way to use different tools for dns /dhcp management. This additional documentation will need to be written by someone who develops this package. Its the philosophy behind the software that must be explained.

your request is not very specific.

Are you looking at any specific documentation that you think is
lacking? Which documentation, and how precisely is it lacking?

Or were you unable to find any relevant documentation? For what
exactly? "dns/dhcp management" is not very clear what you want to do.



Calvin Arndt (217) 778-8740 carndt macksrecycling com

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