Re: NM Shutting Down

[Pavel Simerda <psimerda redhat com>]

> You are being extremely rude and unfair to a developer community
> which
> most people would consider extremely helpful.  I believe helping
> users
> is the whole philosophy behind NM, and this is reflected by the
> developers attracted to NM.

Yes, we are hard trying to make NetworkManager actually usable by both
coding and helping out the users. But I'm probably *not* spending time
with anyone just because he is trying to be loud enough.

> Now, it's quite possible to disagree about technical details, but
> this
> does not seem to be your problem.  Instead, you seem to have a
> problem
> structuring and presenting your case in a form which will help you
> solve
> whatever task you are interested in solving.  I had to put it that
> way,
> because it isn't even clear to me what you are trying to achieve.
>  You
> seem to be switching randomly between different configurations
> because
> it's "not working".  That is futile.  You will never get anything
> working that way.
> 
> Now, do you want to be helped?  This is going to be completely off
> topic
> on this list, so please don't ask any followup questions.  Take it to
> the Debian user support lists. Making wpa_supplicant roaming work
> without using NM in Debian testing is as simple as creating a
> /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf with the networks you want to
> roam between, and putting this in /etc/network/interfaces:
> 
>  allow-hotplug wlan0
>  iface wlan0 inet manual
>     wpa-roam /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
> 
> 
> This is all well documented in
> /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.Debian.gz
> If you cannot make it work, then you are doing something wrong.

+1

This is not NetworkManager question at all and as NetworkManager uses
wpa_suppicant for all of this, if it doesn't work in wpa_supplicant,
it won't work in NM and NM can't be blamed for that.

> The same goes for NM.  It just works by default.  If it doesn't work
> for you, then you are doing something wrong.  But you cannot expect
> anyone to pinpoint your errors when you don't describe what you do.
> So
> just don't ask.

Yes. When things seem to be broken in the lower level, it must be
described carefully. If it's a configuration mistake or something,
the configuration should be fixed by the user.

If the user wants friendly help, he definitely MUST behave in a friendly
manner. Even then it's nobody's obligation to provide it.

Pavel

> Thanks.
> 
> 
> Bjørn (not a NM developer, and therefore not very user friendly :-)
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