Re: Gnumeric still available?
- From: Bryen M Yunashko <a11yrocks bryen com>
- To: marketing-list gnome org
- Subject: Re: Gnumeric still available?
- Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 22:48:22 -0600
The only time I've ever seen such endeavors succeed is when there's some
sort of editorial schedule in place. Mapping out what you want to see
published over a certain period of time (say 2-3 months) makes it a lot
easier to poke people to step up and write something.
The existence of an editorial schedule doesn't guarantee success. But
the lack of a schedule seems (from my experience) to guarantee failure.
Bryen
On Mon, 2012-02-13 at 15:03 -0500, Emily Gonyer wrote:
> Obviously its going to take work to keep updated, however, pretty much
> anything we do to add content and give people a reason to come to the
> gnome.org site is going to take work. If we want to have a site that
> people find useful & interesting, and give them a reason to keep
> coming back, we're going to have to keep working on it and writing new
> content. Nothing we do is going to both give new content & be work
> free. Its just not going to happen. We can make it stream-lined and
> easier to keep up-to-date, but its still going to mean
> writing/creating new content. If we want to do something similar to
> what I suggested, we definitely need to get a back log of sorts
> started first with a half dozen or so articles written and in the
> pipeline ready to publish, so that if/when something happens and
> something doesn't get written right away we have backups to go to
> first before it becomes obvious that updates are no longer happening -
> give us a month or two to get new stuff written, while still
> publishing.
>
>
>
> I don't know, I guess I just feel like this push for new content is
> coming up against a wall of not wanting to have to actually *create*
> said new content, which means that in the end we stick with pretty
> much what we have, while still lacking new content! Either we have to
> accept having a gnome.org site which lacks content, and therefor
> doesn't really do much in promotion of GNOME, or we have to simply
> decide that we're willing to put the work in to make a great site with
> at least some new content constantly being created in order to promote
> GNOME. Right now, the consensus seems to be that we stick with what we
> have, even if that means not doing much for the promotion of GNOME in
> the long run.
>
>
> Emily
>
> On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Christy Eller
> <iamchristyeller gmail com> wrote:
> Hi-
>
> I think what Karen says is unfortunately the case, although I
> like Emily's idea. We don't have the contributor continuity
> that it would require to pull off a page that needs that much
> updating. My suggestion would just be to add more apps (with
> links to their own pages) to the page that already exists,
> highlight apps in the news section occasionally, and possibly
> link from their entry on the page to the article about them in
> the news.
>
> As far as the comment about Downloading GNOME, I totally
> agree. When I go to a web page for a download, I look for the
> word "Download". When I first came to the GNOME page, it took
> me too long to figure out where to go to download GNOME. Of
> course, that could be my problem :) But, I have heard this
> comment from 2 other people on the marketing channel since
> then.
>
> Currently, you have to go from "Discover GNOME 3" to "Find out
> how to get GNOME 3". Perhaps there is a good reason for this.
> It would be very easy to change this if we all agree. I could
> put the word "Download" on the first page, or the second page-
> and I could also put "Download" in the top navigation, or
> whatever else is decided.
>
> Thanks for bringing it up-
> Christy
>
> On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 7:16 AM, Karen Sandler
> <karen gnome org> wrote:
>
> On Mon, February 13, 2012 8:44 am, Emily Gonyer wrote:
> > What if we kept the list (and added to it) and then
> rotated through it on
> > a
> > monthly (or even weekly) basis, highlighting one
> application at a time,
> > with a top bar that says "Coming Next week/month
> _____" with the name of
> > whichever application will be featured next, perhaps
> the same thing below
> > only 'Last week's featured application ____' and
> have each one archived,
> > so
> > that when you click on the name of the program you
> get whatever was
> > written
> > up on it when it was last featured. This would give
> us a reason to write
> > short articles on each, and a way to ensure that
> they all stay up-to-date
> > -
> > as they rotate through the 'featured' section, we'd
> go back to each set of
> > developers and ask 'whats changed/new/etc'. It would
> also allow for some
> > of
> > the lesser-known applications to be highlighted in
> turn, and thus allow
> > them an exposure that they haven't had.
> >
> > Actually, as I think about this more, I think weekly
> (or perhaps
> > bi-weekly)
> > would be better than monthly, so that we could get
> through them all each
> > year and thus they could be kept significantly more
> up-to-date. It would
> > also give people a reason to come back and checkout
> the website more
> > often.
> >
>
>
> I love this idea, but I worry about its implementation
> and also keeping it
> up to date. I don't really know anything about how
> easy it is to create a
> page like this, but I know how tough it is to make
> sure you've got good
> current content for websites when you don't have a
> staff of writers. We
> could write a lot of these out in advance, so that we
> have a lot of
> "safety" entries for times no one feels like writing.
> It looks really bad
> when you've got a feature that relies on new content
> when there is no new
> content to be published!
>
> karen
>
>
>
> > Emily
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 5:09 AM, Dave Neary
> <dneary gnome org> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> (list only, CCing marketing-list, setting follow-up
> there)
> >>
> >> On 02/13/2012 10:48 AM, Andre Klapper wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Sun, 2012-02-12 at 16:22 -0800, Steve Talley
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I just went to your website, and it wasn't clear
> to me how to
> >>>> download Gnome, which I did some months ago, and
> which provided
> >>>> Gnumeric and many other free applications.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> If you go to http://www.gnome.org/gnome-3/ there
> is a "Find out how to
> >>> get GNOME 3" link at the bottom leading to
> >>> http://www.gnome.org/getting-gnome/ which includes
> a "Distributions"
> >>> section.
> >>>
> >>> If you would "just" like to download Gnumeric I
> would recommend
> >>> http://projects.gnome.org/gnumeric/ as a start.
> >>>
> >>
> >> This raises an interesting point about the GNOME
> web page - we don't
> >> currently provide an easy way to find/find out
> about GNOME applications
> >> (hosted on gnome.org) which aren't part of the
> GNOME desktop, outside of
> >> the few applications we promote on
> gnome.org/applications
> >>
> >> http://projects.gnome.org/ gives an index, looking
> through the list,
> >> some
>
> >> interesting apps we could promote are Abiword,
> Balsa, Banshee, Déjà Dup,
>
> >> Dia, F-Spot, GIMP, Gnumeric, GNU Cash, Hamster
> (although I think this is
> >> included in GNOME now?), Inkscape, Nanny, PDF Mod,
> Planner, Rhythmbox,
> >> Tasque, X-Chat...
> >>
> >> Some of these are not hosted on gnome.org -
> Banshee, GIMP, GNU Cash,
> >> Inkscape, X-Chat all have their own websites, and
> for good reason. Some
> >> of
>
> >> them are on Launchpad (Déjà Dup, for example). And
> several excellent
>
> >> GNOME
> >> applications (like Shotwell, SimpleScan, Sound
> Juicer, for example)
> >> don't
> >> get a mention on the progects.g.o page at all.
> >>
> >> It'd be nice if we could help these projects with
> their SEO and get them
> >> more visibility as the "headline" GNOME
> applications - those we know
> >> make
> >> users happy and have great integration and a decent
> degree of
> >> functionality
> >> and maturity. On that score, I would exclude Dia
> and GNUCash because
> >> they
> >> haven't kept up with the platform, but the others
> are all excellent
> >> GNOME
> >> apps.
> >>
> >> Perhaps gnome.org/applcations is the place for us
> to promote these
> >> applications? How can we do so in a sustainable and
> SEO-friendly way? We
> >> already promote some GNOME applications there -
> including apps like
> >> Cheese
> >> which are included in the desktop but which benefit
> from people knowing
> >> what they are.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Dave.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Dave Neary
> >> GNOME Foundation member
> >> dneary gnome org
> >> Jabber: nearyd gmail com
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> >
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