Re: What to use on GTK+3

[Thiago Bellini Ribeiro <hackedbellini gmail com>]

On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 10:09 AM Igor Korot <ikorot01 gmail com> wrote:

Hi,

On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 8:00 AM, Thiago Bellini Ribeiro
<hackedbellini gmail com> wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 1:46 AM Daniel Kasak <d j kasak dk gmail com> wrote:
>>
>> No no no. Everybody is wrong. What we need is:
>>
>> [ Actually, now that I come to think about it, this is not the action
>> I would like to take at this time. Thankyou all the same]
>> [ This is precisely the action that I require, and I thank you for the
>> explicit dialog and verbose text in the buttons; it really makes sure
>> I know what it about to happen, and possibly makes the rest of the
>> text of the dialog redundant, but hey, at least there is zero scope
>> for confusion]
>
>
> The whole point here is to _be redundant_. Why? For some reasons, but a
> major one is: Users don't read dialogs!

Why people think this? Was there a statistical analysis about it?
How many people do read them comparing to how many people don't?

Where can I see it? And who did it?

There might be some better studies out there, but you can take for example the 10 usability heuristics from Jakob Nielsen.

The "Recognition rather than recall" [1] fits perfectly in this. By using a clear action instead of simple boolean answers, "Yes" and "No", you reduce the user's memory load. It makes it easier for the user and reduces the risk of misinterpretation of the question.

Take for example a dialog: "Are you sure you want to overwrite this file?". By having a "Yes" and "No" answers, it is not clear without reading the dialog what they mean. You can change that to "Overwrite it" and "Don't overwrite" and the buttons themselves have meaning, even if you don't read the dialog.

These links [2][3] are another example of that.

[1] http://www.nngroup.com/articles/recognition-and-recall/
[2] http://usabilitypost.com/2008/08/30/usability-tip-use-verbs-as-labels-on-buttons/
[3] http://arstechnica.com/security/2008/09/study-confirms-users-are-idiots/

 

Thank you.

>
> By having verbose options instead of boolean answers, it is less likely that
> the user will choose the first option just because he thinks it is the one
> he needs.
>
>>
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 11:45 AM, Paul Davis <paul linuxaudiosystems com>
>> wrote:
>> > On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 8:41 PM, Allin Cottrell <cottrell wfu edu> wrote:
>> >
>> >> However, in relation to Igor's original point, giving the user options
>> >> of
>> >> Yes/No is IMO fine if your dialog asks a short, simple question that
>> >> requires an answer of Yes or No. As in
>> >>
>> >> Overwrite <filename>? Yes/No
>> >> Send message? Yes/No
>> >> Really delete X? Yes/No
>> >>
>> >> One could rephrase these messages as something other than Yes/No
>> >> questions
>> >> but would that actually be clearer? I doubt it.
>> >
>> > I think you're wrong. Each one of these can be converted into a dialog
>> > of the following general form:
>> >
>> >       Need confirmation to carry out potentially significant action
>> >
>> >         [ Do not take this action ]    [ Take this action ]
>> >
>> >
>> > A specific case may help
>> >
>> >
>> >       Overwriting this file may cause data loss
>> >
>> >        [ Do not overwrite the file ]   [ Overwrite the file ]
>> >
>> >
>> > or
>> >
>> >       Once your message is sent, you cannot delete it.
>> >
>> >        [ Do not send this message]  [ Send this message]
>> >
>> >
>> > Both these examples are clearer, because they explain what is at stake.
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