OffTopic: Re: Excuse me for mentioning the unmentionable, but...

[Brett Thompson <brettt m10 maclay pvt k12 fl us>]

Hello everybody! :)

On Mon, 15 Jun 1998, Hannu Krosing wrote:

> Actually there are some very nice examples of windows programs _without_ 

Nod, they're pretty neat (relative to the OS that they're running on)... 
Do you speak of the programs that look just like ANSI C?? They're called 
console programs or something like that... They pop up a text window I 
think? I don't think it's very easy to write a GUI with one, though... 
You have to get rid of your text window and stuff like that.. rather 
silly really.

Learning a bit about WinDoze will really make you appreiate the 
absolutely beautiful simplicity and brilliance of Linux and GTK!! :)

> WinMain/WinProc in a book called "Undocumented Windows". 
> Not sure about the author, but you probably could  find it in Amazon.

Andrew Schulman I'm pretty sure, he wrote "Undocumented DOS" and 
"Unauthorized Win95", any of which are interesting to read about if 
you want to see what's going on behind the scenes in M$'s OSs. It's 
usually not a pretty site at all, but Mr. Schulman does a great job.

There's a good website he's put up about the internals of Win95 
(actually, it's a page for his book Unauthrozied Win95):

ftp://ftp.ora.com/pub/examples/windows/win95.update/schulman.html

And it's by O'Reilly so you know it's probably good. :) 

> It was done using ordimary C main that called about three 
> initialization functions. That seems also to be one of Windows' secrets
> ;)

hee hee, yeah! :)

> But I don't think porting GTK to windows would be very worthwile - if 
> you want gimp on windows, port gimp, if you want portable programs use 

Hrm, well, I think it's possible to port GTK... You'd basically have to 
do that, I think, if you wanted to port Gimp, wouldn't you.. ? Gimp makes 
pretty heavy use of GTK (to say the least!)... I bet a port is of GTK is 
possible, get Xlib calls going somehow (maybe look at the Tcl/tk windoze 
port?), use those neat Cygnus tools... But I really don't know how 
feasible it really is... I think it would be cool to show some WinDoze 
people who really nice these GTK programs are.. I love the way they 
look!!

I'm thinking that if GTK was ported and WinDoze people saw how cool its 
apps are and how nice the interface (both programming and user), they just 
might want better performance and put Linux on, just to see what it's 
like, perhaps.

Hrm, has anybody already tried porting GTK?? Perhaps potential porters 
should get into a group of some sort and work together... *shrug* Just an 
idea.

> wxWindows (and get Mac and OS/2 in addition to GTK and Windows)

wxWindows? Sounds interesting... GTK is so much fun, though... :)

Have a nice day! :) Long live Linux!