RE: #101293, again

["Joaquin Cuenca Abela" <e98cuenc free fr>]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: gtk-devel-list-admin gnome org 
> [mailto:gtk-devel-list-admin gnome org] On Behalf Of Jody Goldberg
> Sent: jeudi 11 décembre 2003 07:37
> To: gtk-devel-list gnome org
> Subject: Re: #101293, again
> 
> On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 10:30:40PM -0600, Gregory Merchan wrote:
> > On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 10:04:12PM -0600, Gregory Merchan wrote:
> > > On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 09:35:10PM -0600, Federico Mena 
> Quintero wrote:
> > > <snip>
> > > > 1. Remove dialog_has_cancel() from gtkdialog.c
> > > > 
> > > > 2. Bind Escape to the "close" signal.
> > > > 
> > > > 3. Make the default handler for "close" just close the 
> window with 
> > > > the existing code that synthesizes a GDK_DELETE event.  
> "close" is 
> > > > already a G_SIGNAL_RUN_LAST signal, so recalcitrant 
> windows which 
> > > > really don't want to be closed with Escape can easily 
> connect to 
> > > > the signal and stop the emission.
> > > > 
> > > > May I do all of these?
> > > 
> > > No.
> > > 
> > > > Pretty please, with sugar on top?
> > > 
> > > No.
> > 
> > Damn! That felt good.
> > 
> > Ok, now, seriously.
> > 
> > This project (GNOME) is never going to get anywhere with 
> every design 
> > decision being rescinded in the next release. It's bad enough that 
> > GNOME still proceeds largely without a clear design phase.  
> Worse is 
> > the constant churn depending on who happens to be paying 
> attention at 
> > the time.
> > 
> > Right now, for example, there's a bunch of hubbub about 
> window management.
> > The widely misunderstood idea of a viewport has even 
> appeared again. 
> > The GIMP is considering using incorrect window types because some 
> > users are unhappy with the way Metacity treats the correct window 
> > type. There was until recently a fracas over window management 
> > keybindings conflicting with app keybindings. There are an absurd 
> > number of feature requests for the poorly named Window List Applet. 
> > Ignoring all the whining, there are still "not built to 
> spec" bugs to 
> > be worked out in Metacity; such as focus tracking.
> > 
> > In short, window management is a mess. There should be an explicit 
> > moratorium on all feature changes until the "not built to 
> spec" bugs 
> > are worked out, and apps should follow the specs. Twice 
> broken isn't 
> > fixed. But, eh, good luck.
> > 
> > The same goes for this change. Don't do it. You've already 
> got two of 
> > the design people (Calum and me) saying no. None, not a one, of the 
> > instant apply windows works the way it's supposed to, and you're 
> > suggesting breaking it more. If you're itching to do something, 
> > implement Undo for all of these windows, as they were 
> supposed to have 
> > it from day one.  Better still, talk to Seth or Bryan Clark 
> about the 
> > UI of the file chooser, and fix that.
> 
> I disagree, and would like to see Federico's suggestions go in.
> Esc to close is an element of finger feel that I miss.

Idem. Can you explain how an undo of the "action" done by a Find window is
going to solve this problem ?

Closing these dialogs with the mouse is a PITA.  And the alternative
shortcuts are all much more inconvenient and obscure than Esc.

Cheers,