Re: #101293, again

On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 10:30:40PM -0600, Gregory Merchan wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 10:04:12PM -0600, Gregory Merchan wrote:
> > On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 09:35:10PM -0600, Federico Mena Quintero wrote:
> > <snip>
> > > 1. Remove dialog_has_cancel() from gtkdialog.c
> > > 
> > > 2. Bind Escape to the "close" signal.
> > > 
> > > 3. Make the default handler for "close" just close the window with the
> > > existing code that synthesizes a GDK_DELETE event.  "close" is already a
> > > G_SIGNAL_RUN_LAST signal, so recalcitrant windows which really don't
> > > want to be closed with Escape can easily connect to the signal and stop
> > > the emission.
> > > 
> > > May I do all of these?
> > 
> > No.
> > 
> > > Pretty please, with sugar on top?
> > 
> > No.
> Damn! That felt good.
> Ok, now, seriously.
> This project (GNOME) is never going to get anywhere with every design
> decision being rescinded in the next release. It's bad enough that
> GNOME still proceeds largely without a clear design phase.  Worse is
> the constant churn depending on who happens to be paying attention
> at the time.
> Right now, for example, there's a bunch of hubbub about window management.
> The widely misunderstood idea of a viewport has even appeared again. The
> GIMP is considering using incorrect window types because some users are
> unhappy with the way Metacity treats the correct window type. There was
> until recently a fracas over window management keybindings conflicting
> with app keybindings. There are an absurd number of feature requests
> for the poorly named Window List Applet. Ignoring all the whining,
> there are still "not built to spec" bugs to be worked out in Metacity;
> such as focus tracking.
> In short, window management is a mess. There should be an explicit
> moratorium on all feature changes until the "not built to spec" bugs
> are worked out, and apps should follow the specs. Twice broken isn't
> fixed. But, eh, good luck.
> The same goes for this change. Don't do it. You've already got two
> of the design people (Calum and me) saying no. None, not a one, of
> the instant apply windows works the way it's supposed to, and you're
> suggesting breaking it more. If you're itching to do something,
> implement Undo for all of these windows, as they were supposed to
> have it from day one.  Better still, talk to Seth or Bryan Clark
> about the UI of the file chooser, and fix that.

I disagree, and would like to see Federico's suggestions go in.
Esc to close is an element of finger feel that I miss.

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