Re: Extensible Shell

[Sergey Udaltsov <sergey udaltsov gmail com>]

Hehe, these people are trying to convince me hierarches are bad ;).
Folks, one way or another - you'll have them anyway. So why not make
it generic and consistent?

I am not talking about the boundaries shell/capplet (implementation
detail), I am talking about user experience, first of all.

Sergey

> hmm, sounds interesting. So, you're proposing to have a 'Appearance'
> group, for instance, and 'Theme', 'Font', 'Background', etc under it,
> and that opening standalone CC pages?
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> Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 10:16:10 +0000
> From: Sergey Udaltsov <sergey udaltsov gmail com>
> To: Rodrigo Moya <rodrigo gnome-db org>
> Cc: gnomecc-list gnome org
> Subject: Re: Extensible Shell
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> Well, IMHO popping (unnecessary, avoidable) dialogs is somewhat
> 200x-ish (if not 199x-ish:). And navigating within 3 levels is not
> much harder than 2 (which he are going to have anyway).
>
> But that's really my HO, so if everyone thinks that my idea creates
> more problems than it solves, I withdraw it.
>
> Sergey
>
> On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 10:10 AM, Rodrigo Moya <rodrigo gnome-db org> wrote:
>> On Tue, 2010-02-02 at 12:16 +0000, Sergey Udaltsov wrote:
>>> Just to continue the discussion we started yesterday on IRC.
>>>
>>> My idea is that separation Page from Panel looks somewhat artificial.
>>> It forces 2-level hierarchy without ability to add anything extra. As
>>> a result, we are going to keep popup dialogs at several places where
>>> we could use 3rd level instead. In particular,
>>> Keyboard->Layout->Options, Appearence->Themes->Customize,
>>> Appearence->Fonts->Advanced (and perhaps other places). Similar issue
>>> may arise if Display goes into Appearence or vice versa, keybindings
>>> into keyboard etc.
>>>
>>> Why not make it generic? The CcPanel can be used at any level of
>>> hierarchy (even though we would certainly recommend using no more than
>>> 2-3 levels, for simplicity). The navigation would be done by putting a
>>> sequence of buttons at the top of the shell:
>>> [All][Keyboard][Layout][Options]. Additionally, help pages, as well as
>>> search results in Tracker could refer to these locations, by using the
>>> syntax like "gnome-control-center appearance/fonts/advanced".
>>>
>> hmm, not sure how messy this would look. I think opening a dialog on top
>> of the CC window is not that bad, but deep hierarchies might be a mess
>> to deal with for the users, right?
>>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 11:35:47 +0100
> From: Vincent Untz <vuntz gnome org>
> To: gnomecc-list gnome org
> Subject: Re: Extensible Shell
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> Le jeudi 04 f?vrier 2010, ? 11:10 +0100, Rodrigo Moya a ?crit :
>> hmm, not sure how messy this would look. I think opening a dialog on top
>> of the CC window is not that bad, but deep hierarchies might be a mess
>> to deal with for the users, right?
>
> What about doing this in a branch to see how it feels? It should help
> take a decision :-)
>
> Vincent
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 10:37:17 +0000
> From: Thomas Wood <thos gnome org>
> To: Rodrigo Moya <rodrigo gnome-db org>
> Cc: Control Center List <gnomecc-list gnome org>
> Subject: Re: Extensible Shell
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> On Thu, 2010-02-04 at 11:13 +0100, Rodrigo Moya wrote:
>> On Mon, 2010-02-01 at 23:25 +0000, Thomas Wood wrote:
>> >
>> > Given that we now have a single window and search feature, does it still
>> > make sense to be combining lots of settings into single capplets? Would
>> > it be better to take a "do one thing and do it well" approach? I even
>> > seem to have difficulty remembering that "font preferences" are found
>> > under "appearance", for example!
>> >
>> hmm, sounds interesting. So, you're proposing to have a 'Appearance'
>> group, for instance, and 'Theme', 'Font', 'Background', etc under it,
>> and that opening standalone CC pages?
>
> I wasn't really proposing anything just yet, merely suggesting pushing
> more options into single capplets may not be the best approach now that
> we are not constrained by having a UI that uses a single global list of
> capplets.
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