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Re: gnome-themes-list Digest, Vol 72, Issue 3 (??????) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 09:11:41 -0300 From: "Sylvia S?nchez " <lailahfsf gmail com> To: gnome-themes-list gnome org, gnome-list gnome org, Ricardo Espinel <ricardoespinel msn com> Subject: RE: Very sad: a serial killer in art.gnome Message-ID: <1275653502 1919 14 camel Arcoiris> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I'm NOT an admirer of Che Guevara but I guess you don't understand history neither war. Every soldier is a serial killer, do you say we have to ban every image or icon of a soldier? A war is nothing more than a killing in mass, do you say we have to ban every image or icon of guns and military stuff? Do you think that the presidents and soldiers you admire NEVER kill anybody? Really you do? Think it again. Every president and every soldier who has been envolved in a war have blood in their hands. Read and LEARN about history. It will wide your sight and your points of view. And then, may be, you will be able to distinguish between a serial killer and a common soldier, and between dictator and a person with wrong ideas. Best wishes Sylvia El vie, 04-06-2010 a las 03:15 +0000, Ricardo Espinel escribi?:So this is it. I think Adolf Hitler was a brave german national hero, he just did a great welfare work and fought onb behalf of german people. Can I Please upload to Gnome website some wallpaper in apology of the Nazi party? So, besides I think the Israel government is just fighting for the security of their people, and Mussolini was also good, and all the dictators from afrika are also good, and Pinochett, even George Bush. I think you Che defenders are the ones who don't think about hurting other people. It would be better if this wallpaper was just deleted, and there was neither apologies to the left nor right political conditions. Remember, it doesn't matter who is the final user of gnome, it ought be open for every single kind of people. ______________________________________________________________________ From: sdebrum gmail com Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 14:55:44 -0700 Subject: Re: Very sad: a serial killer in art.gnome To: yellowdropcase gmail com CC: antonius iesus gmail com; gnome-themes-list gnome org; gnome-list gnome org Hi: After reading this email, it is really difficoult to me not to respond it. First, Thanks Thiago for your words I totally agree with you. Second, Let's try to keep this mailing list as a what it is now, a nice space of sharing great things. So please, before writing think twice if people would feel offended by your words, because I am sure many people feel this way now. So please be respectful, a lot of people might think different than you. Last, get informed before talking. There are a lot of books, documentaries, movies. Maybe what people says it is not true, just check it. (Movies: Che 1 and Che 2, Documentaries: about Cuban revolution, books like reminiscence of the Cuban revolution war) I have learned a lot of what was happening before and after the revolution. After learning that I have become a great admirer of el che Guevara, I am sure you will understand more things if too. Thanks, Silvina On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 8:13 AM, Thiago Arroadie <yellowdropcase gmail com> wrote: Dear Antonius, I was really reluctant to answer you, but in the end, here we go. First of all, I think your comment totally misplaced... The create an analogy between Adolf Hitler and Ernesto Guevara is really going too far. I actually don't give a shit to the image (even that is pretty well made) but if someone wanted to share the ideology of the Cuban (and latin-american) revolution, a thing that I don't expect you to understand, I don't see a good reason for not doing it. Otherwise then the way you put it, and knowing that you certainly comes from a country that already wen't to a war, the history is and has always been told by those who won the wars. I don't expect you to call your president or war heroes "serial killers", "monsters" or "murderers". In fact, we give them glory and eternity, over the blood they trow and lives they took. A revolution is not made by raising flowers, unfortunately. And the image of Guevara is and will always be, the icon of the day the weak fought the strong and won. Won the right to chose their own destiny. What you call "socialism totalitarianism" (which is itself a really weird _expression_) were once called "free world" even that today this old dream is decaying. I really think you, one day, will be able to think from out of the box and see that the world where you live is bigger and has more people and cultures that you can imagine, so, respect them. Sorry for the weird English, I come from a weird Latin world. Best regards. Thiago 2010/5/26 Antonius Iesus <antonius iesus gmail com> Hello all. First of all let me congratulate to all of you who make possible this great project, Gnome. I'm just a user and I would never have thought of finding myself writing to the gnome community, but sadly I have found myself morally forced to do so. A few minutes ago I was changing the background of my desktop and clicked on the link to the backgrounds page in art.gnome site. Then, in page #6 I find a picture titled "Hasta siempre" (forever!) of Ernesto "Che" Guevara, one of worst sadistic serial killers known in the whole history of mankind and turned into one of the biggest icons of socialist totalitarianism. Let me tell you that watching "that thing" have made me feel very sad, as I believed and still believe that Gnome is not the place for that kind of stuff, the same way that Gnome is not the place for showing pictures of Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot, Fidel Castro or any kind of monsters like these ones, and the same way Gnome is not the place for finding any type of apology of criminal ideologies. I'm sorry I'm writing to all of you but first, I have not found any e-mail address of administrators of gnome, an second, Gnome is a community and as member of this community (as user and occasional bug reporter) I think I have the right to share this thoughts with all of you. Please, you know the whole world is driving madder and madder in these chaotic times of crisis, but I believe it is not so difficult to just have a little of dignity, common sense and decency. In my opinion that image of Ernesto "Che" Guevara and the like should not be part of this great project, Gnome. I'm not asking for any kind of censorship or political correctness, but just a sense of morality and respect in the things we do. The links: http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/teams/art.gnome.org/backgrounds/OTHER-HastaSiempre_1024x768.jpg http://art.gnome.org/backgrounds/?page=6 It has not been my intention to offend anyone. Thanks for your time and kind regards. God bless you. Antonius Iesus. _______________________________________________ gnome-themes-list mailing list gnome-themes-list gnome org To unsubscribe (and more): http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-themes-list _______________________________________________ gnome-themes-list mailing list gnome-themes-list gnome org To unsubscribe (and more): http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-themes-list ______________________________________________________________________ Explore the seven wonders of the world Learn more! _______________________________________________ gnome-themes-list mailing list gnome-themes-list gnome org To unsubscribe (and more): http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-themes-list-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-themes-list/attachments/20100604/c7f782f9/attachment.html> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: <http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-themes-list/attachments/20100604/c7f782f9/attachment.bin> ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 16:11:40 +0300 From: ?????? <yystud gmail com> To: gnome-themes-list gnome org Subject: Re: gnome-themes-list Digest, Vol 72, Issue 3 Message-ID: <AANLkTin2e-xMAqtDHCPRFlne1svQlGqpl3n8qtXsUZRz mail gmail com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I agree that so strongly controversial issues should not find their way into the main source of wallpapers for gnome desktops. It doesn't matter who is right (how old are we?!), It simply isn't the right place. If someone want to promote an ideology, they should start their own website and community, and they can invite people to join them. 2010/6/4 <gnome-themes-list-request gnome org>Send gnome-themes-list mailing list submissions to gnome-themes-list gnome org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-themes-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to gnome-themes-list-request gnome org You can reach the person managing the list at gnome-themes-list-owner gnome org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of gnome-themes-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. RE: Very sad: a serial killer in art.gnome (Ricardo Espinel) 2. Re: Very sad: a serial killer in art.gnome (Olav Vitters) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 03:15:27 +0000 From: Ricardo Espinel <ricardoespinel msn com> To: <sdebrum gmail com>, <antonius iesus gmail com>, <gnome-themes-list gnome org>, <gnome-list gnome org> Subject: RE: Very sad: a serial killer in art.gnome Message-ID: <COL109-W14EC7612C0EFF72C32B032CDD20 phx gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" So this is it. I think Adolf Hitler was a brave german national hero, he just did a great welfare work and fought onb behalf of german people. Can I Please upload to Gnome website some wallpaper in apology of the Nazi party? So, besides I think the Israel government is just fighting for the security of their people, and Mussolini was also good, and all the dictators from afrika are also good, and Pinochett, even George Bush. I think you Che defenders are the ones who don't think about hurting other people. It would be better if this wallpaper was just deleted, and there was neither apologies to the left nor right political conditions. Remember, it doesn't matter who is the final user of gnome, it ought be open for every single kind of people. From: sdebrum gmail com Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 14:55:44 -0700 Subject: Re: Very sad: a serial killer in art.gnome To: yellowdropcase gmail com CC: antonius iesus gmail com; gnome-themes-list gnome org; gnome-list gnome org Hi: After reading this email, it is really difficoult to me not to respond it. First, Thanks Thiago for your words I totally agree with you. Second, Let's try to keep this mailing list as a what it is now, a nice space of sharing great things. So please, before writing think twice if people would feel offended by your words, because I am sure many people feel this way now. So please be respectful, a lot of people might think different than you. Last, get informed before talking. There are a lot of books, documentaries, movies. Maybe what people says it is not true, just check it.(Movies: Che 1 and Che 2, Documentaries: about Cuban revolution, books like reminiscence of the Cuban revolution war) I have learned a lot of what was happening before and after the revolution. After learning that I have become a great admirer of el che Guevara, I am sure you will understand more things if too. Thanks, Silvina On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 8:13 AM, Thiago Arroadie <yellowdropcase gmail com> wrote: Dear Antonius, I was really reluctant to answer you, but in the end, here we go. First of all, I think your comment totally misplaced... The create an analogy between Adolf Hitler and Ernesto Guevara is really going too far. I actually don't give a shit to the image (even that is pretty well made) but if someone wanted to share the ideology of the Cuban (and latin-american) revolution, a thing that I don't expect you to understand, I don't see a good reason for not doing it. Otherwise then the way you put it, and knowing that you certainly comes from a country that already wen't to a war, the history is and has always been told by those who won the wars. I don't expect you to call your president or war heroes "serial killers", "monsters" or "murderers". In fact, we give them glory and eternity, over the blood they trow and lives they took. A revolution is not made by raising flowers, unfortunately. And the image of Guevara is and will always be, the icon of the day the weak fought the strong and won. Won the right to chose their own destiny. What you call "socialism totalitarianism" (which is itself a really weird _expression_) were once called "free world" even that today this old dream is decaying. I really think you, one day, will be able to think from out of the box and see that the world where you live is bigger and has more people and cultures that you can imagine, so, respect them. Sorry for the weird English, I come from a weird Latin world. Best regards. Thiago 2010/5/26 Antonius Iesus <antonius iesus gmail com> Hello all. First of all let me congratulate to all of you who make possible this great project, Gnome. I'm just a user and I would never have thought of finding myself writing to the gnome community, but sadly I have found myself morally forced to do so. A few minutes ago I was changing the background of my desktop and clicked on the link to the backgrounds page in art.gnome site. Then, in page #6 I find a picture titled "Hasta siempre" (forever!) of Ernesto "Che" Guevara, one of worst sadistic serial killers known in the whole history of mankind and turned into one of the biggest icons of socialist totalitarianism. Let me tell you that watching "that thing" have made me feel very sad, as I believed and still believe that Gnome is not the place for that kind of stuff, the same way that Gnome is not the place for showing pictures of Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot, Fidel Castro or any kind of monsters like these ones, and the same way Gnome is not the place for finding any type of apology of criminal ideologies. I'm sorry I'm writing to all of you but first, I have not found any e-mail address of administrators of gnome, an second, Gnome is a community and as member of this community (as user and occasional bug reporter) I think I have the right to share this thoughts with all of you. Please, you know the whole world is driving madder and madder in these chaotic times of crisis, but I believe it is not so difficult to just have a little of dignity, common sense and decency. In my opinion that image of Ernesto "Che" Guevara and the like should not be part of this great project, Gnome. I'm not asking for any kind of censorship or political correctness, but just a sense of morality and respect in the things we do. The links: http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/teams/art.gnome.org/backgrounds/OTHER-HastaSiempre_1024x768.jpg http://art.gnome.org/backgrounds/?page=6 It has not been my intention to offend anyone. I read along here from Germany. I find it incredible how they represent Hitler, who is a huge criminals. It is also double murder or murder if I order you run the command because he refused soldier is shot, not the general You are very arrogant here, because I am also a Chue gevara has no business here, and that because it tackles the political issues of wrong is better in your little pictures that you have been doing very well. Did I leave the list, thanks, this conversation about criminals and war is very daring on this basis is now so weitergemacht still. It is a pity that I leave now so out of this list must, but I'm wrong here! DIOTIMA |