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Re: gnome-themes-list Digest, Vol 72, Issue 4

Sylvia, it is not a matter of what really happened, and not about killing either. It's about letting people, all the people, feel good with gnome. You want to re - educate humanity? great, but gnome is not the place. gnome is (and should be) about sharing, about letting everyone in. If you make someone feel bad because of some wallpapers, you push him out. And again, nothing prevents me from downloading any wallpaper or any other image (as long as it's legal) and using it on my gnome desktop.

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  1. RE: Very sad: a serial killer in art.gnome (Sylvia S?nchez )
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 09:11:41 -0300
From: "Sylvia S?nchez " <lailahfsf gmail com>
To: gnome-themes-list gnome org, gnome-list gnome org, Ricardo Espinel
       <ricardoespinel msn com>
Subject: RE: Very sad: a serial killer in art.gnome
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I'm NOT an admirer of Che Guevara but I guess you don't understand
history neither war.  Every soldier is a serial killer, do you say we
have to ban every image or icon of a soldier?  A war is nothing more
than a killing in mass, do you say we have to ban every image or icon of
guns and military stuff?  Do you think that the presidents and soldiers
you admire NEVER kill anybody?  Really you do?  Think it again.  Every
president and every soldier who has been envolved in a war have blood in
their hands.
Read and LEARN about history.  It will wide your sight and your points
of view.  And then, may be, you will be able to distinguish between a
serial killer and a common soldier, and between dictator and a person
with wrong ideas.


Best wishes
Sylvia



El vie, 04-06-2010 a las 03:15 +0000, Ricardo Espinel escribi?:

> So this is it.
>
>
>
> I think Adolf Hitler was a brave german national hero, he just did a
> great welfare work and fought onb behalf of german people. Can I
> Please upload to Gnome website some wallpaper in apology of the Nazi
> party?
>
>
> So, besides I think the Israel government is just fighting for the
> security of their people, and Mussolini was also good, and all the
> dictators from afrika are also good, and Pinochett, even George Bush.
>
>
> I think you Che defenders are the ones who don't think about hurting
> other people. It would be better if this wallpaper was just deleted,
> and there was neither apologies to the left nor right political
> conditions.
>
>
> Remember, it doesn't matter who is the final user of gnome, it ought
> be open for every single kind of people.
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________________
> From: sdebrum gmail com
> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 14:55:44 -0700
> Subject: Re: Very sad: a serial killer in art.gnome
> To: yellowdropcase gmail com
> CC: antonius iesus gmail com; gnome-themes-list gnome org;
> gnome-list gnome org
>
>
> Hi:
>
>
> After reading this email, it is really difficoult to me not to respond
> it.
>
>
> First, Thanks Thiago for your words I totally agree with you.
>
>
> Second, Let's try to keep this mailing list as a what it is now, a
> nice space of sharing great things. So please, before writing think
> twice if people would feel offended by your words, because I am sure
> many people feel this way now. So please be respectful, a lot of
> people might think different than you.
>
>
> Last, get informed before talking. There are a lot of books,
> documentaries, movies. Maybe what people says it is not true, just
> check it.
> (Movies: Che 1 and Che 2, Documentaries: about Cuban revolution, books
> like reminiscence of the Cuban revolution war) I have learned a lot of
> what was happening before and after the revolution. After learning
> that  I have become a great admirer of el che Guevara, I am sure you
> will understand more things if too.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Silvina
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 8:13 AM, Thiago Arroadie
> <yellowdropcase gmail com> wrote:
>
>         Dear Antonius,
>
>
>
>         I was really reluctant to answer you, but in the end, here we
>         go.
>
>         First of all, I think your comment totally misplaced...
>         The create an analogy between Adolf Hitler and Ernesto Guevara
>         is really going too far.
>
>         I actually don't give a shit to the image (even that is pretty
>         well made) but if someone wanted to share the ideology of the
>         Cuban (and latin-american) revolution, a thing that I don't
>         expect you to understand, I don't see a good reason for not
>         doing it.
>
>         Otherwise then the way you put it, and knowing that you
>         certainly comes from a country that already wen't to a war,
>         the history is and has always been told by those who won the
>         wars. I don't expect you to call your president or war heroes
>         "serial killers", "monsters" or "murderers". In fact, we give
>         them glory and eternity, over the blood they trow and lives
>         they took.
>
>         A revolution is not made by raising flowers, unfortunately.
>         And the image of Guevara is and will always be, the icon of
>         the day the weak fought the strong and won. Won the right to
>         chose their own destiny. What you call
>         "socialism totalitarianism" (which is itself a really weird
>         _expression_) were once called "free world" even that today this
>         old dream is decaying.
>
>
>         I really think you, one day, will be able to think from out of
>         the box and see that the world where you live is bigger and
>         has more people and cultures that you can imagine, so, respect
>         them.
>
>
>         Sorry for the weird English, I come from a weird Latin world.
>
>
>         Best regards.
>
>
>         Thiago
>
>
>         2010/5/26 Antonius Iesus <antonius iesus gmail com>
>
>
>
>
>                 Hello all.
>
>                 First of all let me congratulate to all of you who
>                 make possible this
>                 great project, Gnome.
>
>                 I'm just a user and I would never have thought of
>                 finding myself
>                 writing to the gnome community, but sadly I have found
>                 myself morally
>                 forced to do so.
>
>                 A few minutes ago I was changing the background of my
>                 desktop and
>                 clicked on the link to the backgrounds page in
>                 art.gnome site. Then,
>                 in page #6 I find a picture titled "Hasta
>                 siempre" (forever!) of
>                 Ernesto "Che" Guevara, one of worst sadistic serial
>                 killers known in
>                 the whole history of mankind and turned into one of
>                 the biggest icons
>                 of socialist totalitarianism.
>
>                 Let me tell you that watching "that thing" have made
>                 me feel very sad,
>                 as I believed and still believe that Gnome is not the
>                 place for that
>                 kind of stuff, the same way that Gnome is not the
>                 place for showing
>                 pictures of Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot,
>                 Fidel Castro or any
>                 kind of monsters like these ones, and the same way
>                 Gnome is not the
>                 place for finding any type of apology of criminal
>                 ideologies.
>
>                 I'm sorry I'm writing to all of you but first, I have
>                 not found any
>                 e-mail address of administrators of gnome, an second,
>                 Gnome is a
>                 community and as member of this community (as user and
>                 occasional bug
>                 reporter) I think I have the right to share this
>                 thoughts with all of
>                 you.
>
>                 Please, you know the whole world is driving madder and
>                 madder in these
>                 chaotic times of crisis, but I believe it is not so
>                 difficult to just
>                 have a little of dignity, common sense and decency. In
>                 my opinion that
>                 image of Ernesto "Che" Guevara and the like should not
>                 be part of this
>                 great project, Gnome. I'm not asking for any kind of
>                 censorship or
>                 political correctness, but just a sense of morality
>                 and respect in the
>                 things we do.
>
>                 The links:
>
>                 http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/teams/art.gnome.org/backgrounds/OTHER-HastaSiempre_1024x768.jpg
>
>                 http://art.gnome.org/backgrounds/?page=6
>
>                 It has not been my intention to offend anyone.
>
>                 Thanks for your time and kind regards.
>
>                 God bless you.
>                 Antonius Iesus.
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Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 16:11:40 +0300
From: ?????? <yystud gmail com>
To: gnome-themes-list gnome org
Subject: Re: gnome-themes-list Digest, Vol 72, Issue 3
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I agree that so strongly controversial issues should not find their way into
the main source of wallpapers for gnome desktops.
It doesn't matter who is right (how old are we?!), It simply isn't the right
place.
If someone want to promote an ideology, they should start their own website
and community, and they can invite people to join them.

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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 03:15:27 +0000
> From: Ricardo Espinel <ricardoespinel msn com>
> To: <sdebrum gmail com>, <antonius iesus gmail com>,
>        <gnome-themes-list gnome org>, <gnome-list gnome org>
> Subject: RE: Very sad: a serial killer in art.gnome
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>
> So this is it.
> I think Adolf Hitler was a brave german national hero, he just did a great
> welfare work and fought onb behalf of german people. Can I Please upload to
> Gnome website some wallpaper in apology of the Nazi party?
> So, besides I think the Israel government is just fighting for the security
> of their people, and Mussolini was also good, and all the dictators from
> afrika are also good, and Pinochett, even George Bush.
> I think you Che defenders are the ones who don't think about hurting other
> people. It would be better if this wallpaper was just deleted, and there was
> neither apologies to the left nor right political conditions.
> Remember, it doesn't matter who is the final user of gnome, it ought be
> open for every single kind of people.
>
> From: sdebrum gmail com
> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 14:55:44 -0700
> Subject: Re: Very sad: a serial killer in art.gnome
> To: yellowdropcase gmail com
> CC: antonius iesus gmail com; gnome-themes-list gnome org;
> gnome-list gnome org
>
> Hi:
> After reading this email, it is really difficoult to me not to respond it.
> First, Thanks Thiago for your words I totally agree with you.
> Second, Let's try to keep this mailing list as a what it is now, a nice
> space of sharing great things. So please, before writing think twice if
> people would feel offended by your words, because I am sure many people feel
> this way now. So please be respectful, a lot of people might think different
> than you.
>
>
> Last, get informed before talking. There are a lot of books, documentaries,
> movies. Maybe what people says it is not true, just check it.(Movies: Che 1
> and Che 2, Documentaries: about Cuban revolution, books like reminiscence of
> the Cuban revolution war) I have learned a lot of what was happening before
> and after the revolution. After learning that  I have become a great admirer
> of el che Guevara, I am sure you will understand more things if too.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Silvina
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 8:13 AM, Thiago Arroadie <yellowdropcase gmail com>
> wrote:
>
>
> Dear Antonius,
> I was really reluctant to answer you, but in the end, here we go.
>
> First of all, I think your comment totally misplaced...
> The create an analogy between Adolf Hitler and Ernesto Guevara is really
> going too far.
>
>
>
>
>
> I actually don't give a shit to the image (even that is pretty well made)
> but if someone wanted to share the ideology of the Cuban (and
> latin-american) revolution, a thing that I don't expect you to understand, I
> don't see a good reason for not doing it.
>
>
>
>
>
> Otherwise then the way you put it, and knowing that you certainly comes
> from a country that already wen't to a war, the history is and has always
> been told by those who won the wars. I don't expect you to call your
> president or war heroes "serial killers", "monsters" or "murderers". In
> fact, we give them glory and eternity, over the blood they trow and lives
> they took.
>
>
>
>
>
> A revolution is not made by raising flowers, unfortunately. And the image
> of Guevara is and will always be, the icon of the day the weak fought the
> strong and won. Won the right to chose their own destiny. What you call
> "socialism totalitarianism" (which is itself a really weird _expression_) were
> once called "free world" even that today this old dream is decaying.
>
>
>
>
> I really think you, one day, will be able to think from out of the box and
> see that the world where you live is bigger and has more people and cultures
> that you can imagine, so, respect them.
>
>
>
>
> Sorry for the weird English, I come from a weird Latin world.
> Best regards.
> Thiago
>
> 2010/5/26 Antonius Iesus <antonius iesus gmail com>
>
>
>
>
> Hello all.
>
>
>
> First of all let me congratulate to all of you who make possible this
>
> great project, Gnome.
>
>
>
> I'm just a user and I would never have thought of finding myself
>
> writing to the gnome community, but sadly I have found myself morally
>
> forced to do so.
>
>
>
> A few minutes ago I was changing the background of my desktop and
>
> clicked on the link to the backgrounds page in art.gnome site. Then,
>
> in page #6 I find a picture titled "Hasta siempre" (forever!) of
>
> Ernesto "Che" Guevara, one of worst sadistic serial killers known in
>
> the whole history of mankind and turned into one of the biggest icons
>
> of socialist totalitarianism.
>
>
>
> Let me tell you that watching "that thing" have made me feel very sad,
>
> as I believed and still believe that Gnome is not the place for that
>
> kind of stuff, the same way that Gnome is not the place for showing
>
> pictures of Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot, Fidel Castro or any
>
> kind of monsters like these ones, and the same way Gnome is not the
>
> place for finding any type of apology of criminal ideologies.
>
>
>
> I'm sorry I'm writing to all of you but first, I have not found any
>
> e-mail address of administrators of gnome, an second, Gnome is a
>
> community and as member of this community (as user and occasional bug
>
> reporter) I think I have the right to share this thoughts with all of
>
> you.
>
>
>
> Please, you know the whole world is driving madder and madder in these
>
> chaotic times of crisis, but I believe it is not so difficult to just
>
> have a little of dignity, common sense and decency. In my opinion that
>
> image of Ernesto "Che" Guevara and the like should not be part of this
>
> great project, Gnome. I'm not asking for any kind of censorship or
>
> political correctness, but just a sense of morality and respect in the
>
> things we do.
>
>
>
> The links:
>
>
>
>
> http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/teams/art.gnome.org/backgrounds/OTHER-HastaSiempre_1024x768.jpg
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> http://art.gnome.org/backgrounds/?page=6
>
>
>
> It has not been my intention to offend anyone.
>
>
>
> Thanks for your time and kind regards.
>
>
>
> God bless you.
>
> Antonius Iesus.
>
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> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 09:39:07 +0200
> From: Olav Vitters <olav vitters nl>
> To: Antonius Iesus <antonius iesus gmail com>
> Cc: board-list gnome org, gnome-themes-list gnome org
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> On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 08:38:04PM +0200, Antonius Iesus wrote:
> > I'm just a user and I would never have thought of finding myself
> > writing to the gnome community, but sadly I have found myself morally
> > forced to do so.
>
> Understood. Still, please stick to one mailing list only
> (gnome-themes-list). I've ensured it only appears on gnome-themes-list
> fwiw.
>
> > A few minutes ago I was changing the background of my desktop and
> > clicked on the link to the backgrounds page in art.gnome site. Then,
> > in page #6 I find a picture titled "Hasta siempre" (forever!) of
> > Ernesto "Che" Guevara, one of worst sadistic serial killers known in
> > the whole history of mankind and turned into one of the biggest icons
> > of socialist totalitarianism.
> >
> > Let me tell you that watching "that thing" have made me feel very sad,
> > as I believed and still believe that Gnome is not the place for that
> > kind of stuff, the same way that Gnome is not the place for showing
> > pictures of Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot, Fidel Castro or any
> > kind of monsters like these ones, and the same way Gnome is not the
> > place for finding any type of apology of criminal ideologies.
> >
> > I'm sorry I'm writing to all of you but first, I have not found any
> > e-mail address of administrators of gnome, an second, Gnome is a
> > community and as member of this community (as user and occasional bug
> > reporter) I think I have the right to share this thoughts with all of
> > you.
>
> There are no 'administrators of GNOME'. Anyway, I've cc'ed the board.
>
> board: full reference to the current thread (different opinions, etc):
> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-themes-list/2010-June/msg00000.html
>
> > The links:
> >
> >
> http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/teams/art.gnome.org/backgrounds/OTHER-HastaSiempre_1024x768.jpg
> > http://art.gnome.org/backgrounds/?page=6
>
> --
> Regards,
> Olav
>
>
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