Re: The good, the bad, the insane

[Ryan Peters <sloshy45 sbcglobal net>]

On 05/23/2011 09:52 AM, Martin Häsler wrote:
> On 05/23/11 15:13, Ryan Peters wrote:
> > Hi Martin,
> >
> > On 05/23/2011 06:05 AM, Martin Häsler wrote:
> > > Hi ,
> > >
> > > After having followed this list for quite some time, I now feel 
> > > compelled  to weigh in.
> > ...
> > > The insane:
> > >
> > > Suspend/Shutdown:
> > >
> > > I think this is the first design decision ever made in any desktop 
> > > which made me angry.
> > > Leaving aside, that suspend - resume doesn't work with many laptops 
> > > and especially desktop PC's,
> > > I simply cannot understand the thought process behind this decision. 
> > > There was no need to change the old behaviour,
> > > and to say making Suspend default, because it would save energy, is 
> > > so blatantly wrong, I'm at a loss for words.
> > > That a machine uses less energy when turned off should be obvious.
> > > Please go back to the old behaviour and make a lot of users happy. 
> > > (especially us treehugging Germans :) )
> > Before I say anything, let me state that I am not a developer or 
> > designer of this project. From what I've read *from* the designers, 
> > though, the decision was made for consistency's sake, not necessarily 
> > saving energy. The menu has the same function that the power button 
> > and closing the window list do: suspending. Shutting down, when you 
> > think about it, is something that you rarely have to do (some people 
> > don't shut down their desktops for long periods of time, while others 
> > only shut them down once or twice per day). Compared to navigating a 
> > program's GUI, switching workspaces/windows, and launching 
> > applications, this is something that is rarely done, so, for the sake 
> > of consistency, it would make sense to optimize towards a behavior 
> > that, for most users, would be preferable when walking away 
> > (suspending). The preferred way to shut down, which indicates that 
> > you're done using the computer, is to log out first and use GDM 
> > (which takes a few more seconds, but I can't think of a situation 
> > where you have to shut down a computer faster that that).
> Sorry, but you got that wrong. AFAIK the behaviour of the Power button 
> was changed to default to suspend to be consistent with the menu 
> choice. Pressing the Power button used to show the Power
> Off / Cancel dialog. Also, please note that its called Power button, 
> not suspend button.
I have to be honest: I like that behavior a little more than suspending. 
Giving us a menu like that would be nice and unassuming, while still 
being simple. Also, I wasn't "wrong": what I meant was that the menu is 
consistent with the "default GNOME 3 behaviors". Never did I say that 
the power button always did that (I wish it did, though). Oh, and I made 
a typo: by "closing the window list", I meant to say, "closing the 
laptop lid". Pardon my mistake.