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Hi I think the position of the clock is the one thing which GNOME has done very different from others. Unfortunately resistance to that move is mounting as we are still in a conventional mindset looking at clocks on the top right or bottom right corners of the screen. The clock position in this case is a very convenient one. top center. easy to shift your eyes to it from your work. Less neck movement thus more relaxed. I think the same issue would be faced with the Mac-Like Global menu in ubuntu. It's nice to see gnome trying to carve a niche of its own rather than in the shadow of another UI. Hope this helps usability rather than confuses it. Dreaming Tripper Conventional from '81, Out of the Box from '96 :) > From: gnome-shell-list-request gnome org > Subject: gnome-shell-list Digest, Vol 27, Issue 39 > To: gnome-shell-list gnome org > Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 16:49:17 +0000 > > Send gnome-shell-list mailing list submissions to > gnome-shell-list gnome org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > gnome-shell-list-request gnome org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > gnome-shell-list-owner gnome org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of gnome-shell-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: I forgot some things (Johannes Schmid) > 2. Re: Some suggestions (Jean-Peer Lorenz) > 3. Re: Some suggestions (Johannes Schmid) > 4. Re: Some suggestions (Erick P?rez Castellanos) > 5. Re: Some suggestions (Duncan Jakeway) > 6. Re: Some suggestions (Pat Suwalski) > 7. Re: Some suggestions (Stefano Facchini) > 8. Re: Some suggestions (Florian M?llner) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 13:42:52 +0100 > From: Johannes Schmid <jhs jsschmid de> > To: jerome <jerome informalibre fr> > Cc: gnome-shell-list gnome org > Subject: Re: I forgot some things > Message-ID: <1296045772.2289.7.camel@idefix> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi J?r?me! > > Could you please always reply to your messages in the same thread > instead of creating lots of new threads. > > Thanks a lot! > > Johannes > > Am Dienstag, den 25.01.2011, 00:31 +0100 schrieb jerome: > > > I added on the right, the list of virtual offices in order to drop the > > application directly on the desktop you want. > > > > PERRET J?r?me > > > > _______________________________________________ > > gnome-shell-list mailing list > > gnome-shell-list gnome org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-shell-list/attachments/20110126/14819a50/attachment.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 13:54:33 +0100 > From: Jean-Peer Lorenz <peer loz gmx net> > To: gnome-shell-list <gnome-shell-list gnome org> > Subject: Re: Some suggestions > Message-ID: <1296046473.2448.7.camel@ayida> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Am Mittwoch, den 26.01.2011, 05:49 +0000 schrieb Peter Slavek: > > Hello Everyone, > > > > ... > > > > - The position of the clock looks too much like the title of the > > entire screen - it feels slightly intrusive. I think it would look far > > better tucked away to the right, along with the user's name and system > > tray icons, with adequate spacing in-between. > > +1 for me. This really annoys me. I don't understand why the clock is > presented in the middle of the screen. I think it's rather distractive > and does not help to focus on my current task. > > > - The text on the top panel in some screen-shots (*) also seems as if > > it's shouting; the weight of the typeface is far too heavy for my > > liking. I think it would look more elegant at somewhere just slightly > > heavier than usual. > > (*http://seilo.geekyogre.com/uploads/2010/12/Screenshot1.png) > > > > - You should be bold and re-name 'suspend' to 'sleep'. I have always > > been confused by 'suspend', 'sleep', and 'hibernate', only to find out > > recently that suspend and sleep are the same thing. Surely 'sleep' and > > 'hibernate' go so much better together, and they are both quite > > descriptive words. We all know what sleep and hibernation are, and the > > difference between them. New users of Gnome Shell and Linux would be > > far less likely to know what 'suspend' means and the difference > > between 'suspend' and 'hibernate'. > > I support this. Make it easy to use for average users. > > > My best wishes, Peter > > Thanks to all for their hard work. > jean-peer. > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: not available > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 198 bytes > Desc: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil > URL: <http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-shell-list/attachments/20110126/6d469608/attachment.bin> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 14:06:05 +0100 > From: Johannes Schmid <jhs jsschmid de> > To: Jean-Peer Lorenz <peer loz gmx net> > Cc: gnome-shell-list <gnome-shell-list gnome org> > Subject: Re: Some suggestions > Message-ID: <1296047165.2289.10.camel@idefix> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Hi! > > > > - You should be bold and re-name 'suspend' to 'sleep'. I have always > > > been confused by 'suspend', 'sleep', and 'hibernate', only to find out > > > recently that suspend and sleep are the same thing. Surely 'sleep' and > > > 'hibernate' go so much better together, and they are both quite > > > descriptive words. We all know what sleep and hibernation are, and the > > > difference between them. New users of Gnome Shell and Linux would be > > > far less likely to know what 'suspend' means and the difference > > > between 'suspend' and 'hibernate'. > > As a sidenote, this is more an english language issue and probably not > worth discussing on this list. In all other locales the wording will be > different anyway. > > But to be honest, I don't know where english language issues are > discussed in GNOME, all other groups have their mailing list but apart > from en_GB, no english list seems to be available. > > Regards, > Johannes > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 08:48:06 -0300 > From: Erick P?rez Castellanos <erick red gmail com> > To: <gnome-shell-list gnome org> > Subject: Re: Some suggestions > Message-ID: <F3DBCE0E0F8B43D09E6CEA0B2013917D@winbox> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > > - The position of the clock looks too much like the title of the entire > > screen - it feels slightly intrusive. I think it would look far better > > tucked away to the right, along with the user's name and system tray > > icons, with adequate spacing in-between. > > > - I actually like it better this way. Glancing at the clock is something > that many people do unconsciously and I find it quite a lot easier and > natural to just look a little bit up instead of all the way to the > right. > > I do think he's right, it feels like the main topic on the screen, and when > you look at gnome-shell motto of one app at a time, then the app title will > get under the clock, and as the motto says it's far more important the app > title than the time. I would like to put the app titlebar (with window > manager control) on the top panel, and the clock tucked to the right. > > Erick > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 16:16:45 +0000 > From: Duncan Jakeway <duncan jakeway gmail com> > To: gnome-shell-list gnome org > Subject: Re: Some suggestions > Message-ID: > <AANLkTikiaeo6axrWxTc-p=se=C1zC_Eetc+FLd4bco4w mail gmail com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > 2011/1/26 Erick P?rez Castellanos <erick red gmail com> > > > - The position of the clock looks too much like the title of the entire > >> screen - it feels slightly intrusive. I think it would look far better > >> tucked away to the right, along with the user's name and system tray icons, > >> with adequate spacing in-between. > >> > > > > - I actually like it better this way. Glancing at the clock is something > >> > > that many people do unconsciously and I find it quite a lot easier and > > natural to just look a little bit up instead of all the way to the > > right. > > > > I do think he's right, it feels like the main topic on the screen, and when > > you look at gnome-shell motto of one app at a time, then the app title will > > get under the clock, and as the motto says it's far more important the app > > title than the time. I would like to put the app titlebar (with window > > manager control) on the top panel, and the clock tucked to the right. > > > I agree. Also, this is probably a better approach for those using smaller > screens. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-shell-list/attachments/20110126/a0450f07/attachment.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 11:38:45 -0500 > From: Pat Suwalski <pat suwalski net> > To: gnome-shell-list gnome org > Subject: Re: Some suggestions > Message-ID: <4D404E15 4050702 suwalski net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"; format="flowed" > > On 26/01/11 07:54 AM, Jean-Peer Lorenz wrote: > >> - The position of the clock looks too much like the title of the > >> entire screen - it feels slightly intrusive. I think it would look far > >> better tucked away to the right, along with the user's name and system > >> tray icons, with adequate spacing in-between. > > > > +1 for me. This really annoys me. I don't understand why the clock is > > presented in the middle of the screen. I think it's rather distractive > > and does not help to focus on my current task. > > Is it not more annoying that the clock just says "Wed 11:36"? That's is > not useful information. I know it's Wednesday, instinctively. There are > only seven days of the week. What I need to know at a glance is the > calendar day, and it requires a click and eye movement to determine it. > > That is beside the point that short forms like "Wed" are ugly. > > --Pat > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 17:48:02 +0100 > From: Stefano Facchini <stefano facchini gmail com> > To: gnome-shell-list gnome org > Subject: Re: Some suggestions > Message-ID: <4D405042 7030400 gmail com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Il 26/01/2011 17:38, Pat Suwalski ha scritto: > > > > Is it not more annoying that the clock just says "Wed 11:36"? That's > > is not useful information. I know it's Wednesday, instinctively. There > > are only seven days of the week. What I need to know at a glance is > > the calendar day, and it requires a click and eye movement to > > determine it. > > > In a previous version of gnome-shell you could change the clock settings > to show also the calendar day. You could right click on the clock and > choose "preferences" and change something. Now this popup menu has been > disabled. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 17:47:22 +0100 > From: Florian M?llner <fmuellner gnome org> > To: gnome-shell-list gnome org > Subject: Re: Some suggestions > Message-ID: <1296060444.10189.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > On Wed, 2011-01-26 at 11:38 -0500, Pat Suwalski wrote: > > Is it not more annoying that the clock just says "Wed 11:36"? That's is > > not useful information. I know it's Wednesday, instinctively. There are > > only seven days of the week. What I need to know at a glance is the > > calendar day, and it requires a click and eye movement to determine it. > > There is a setting to show the date alongside the time: > > gsettings set org.gnome.shell.clock show-date true > > -- Florian > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-shell-list mailing list > gnome-shell-list gnome org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list > > > End of gnome-shell-list Digest, Vol 27, Issue 39 > ************************************************ |