Re: Re: Re: Re: A task panel

[kaddy080 gmail com]

should I take that as discrimination? English is not my first language..... same as alot of people on the mailing list....But I write well enough for
people to understand... if I am not 100% correct in my punctuation/spelling etc..... big deal.... why are we picking on peoples punctuation rather
than trying to resolve the design situation in gnome-shell that many people are not happy with?
you know what.... bugger it.... i've had enough........
i'm moving on away from this dying project.... 
goodluck
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On , Johannes Schmid <jhs jsschmid de> wrote:
> Hi!
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> Please, stick to the GNOME Code of Conduct[1] when writing posts to
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> GNOME mailing lists.
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> Second, it is a matter of being polite to use correct language and
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> punctuation when writing stuff that others are supposed to read. We are
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> not a club of script kiddies...
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> Regards,
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> Johannes
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> [1] http://live.gnome.org/CodeOfConduct
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> Am Donnerstag, den 20.05.2010, 16:10 +0000 schrieb kaddy080 gmail com:
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> > quote
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> > Please, rewrite this e-mail using correct punctuation, full sentences
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> > > starting with a capital and ending with one dot, not hundreds. I
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> > don't
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> > > even have the courage to read your message as-is. Thanks.
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> > This is not language school... Nor a correct punctuation
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> > contest....Don't tell me how I should write my emails...
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> > I assume you can read and understand english so just deal with it
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> > As for your comments about us complaining about the current useability
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> > of gnome-shell.. I consider it
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> > constructive criticism... coming from the perspective of an everyday
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> > user...... if Gnome devs will not listen to the average user....
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> > then what? I guess gnome goes down the tube.............. dot dot dot
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> > dot dot...................
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> > I have no programming experience as alot of us do not..... But I can
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> > surely tell you if something sucks from the perspective of an everyday
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> > user needing to get his job done quickly and efficiently.... and to be
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> > frank... the current statuse of gnome-shell just plain sucks...
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> > nothing to be offended about... its the truth, and something needs to
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> > be done to fix the gaps.... Mostly the responsibility of the devs
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> > working on gnome-shell after listening
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> > to feedback from the users and considering contributions that make
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> > things easier.... like I said... I am not a programmer, but I have
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> > sent design submissions that are more well organised
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> > "design/usability" wise then the current state of gnome-shell....
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> > listen to the users
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> > kaddy
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> > On , Tim Ryan tryan linux com> wrote:
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> > > I work with a group of IT folks and most of us are using Gnome on
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> > > Ubuntu as out main desktop. None of the others have been following
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> > > gnome-shell development or this list. I did a bit a research among
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> > our
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> > > small group, only seven people, to see how IT people use their
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> > > desktop, and gnome in particular. I mainly asked them about the
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> > window
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> > > switcher on the panel, and asked how they were using it.
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> > > I personally don't like the current version of gnome-shell, since it
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> > > takes away too much functionality, and I don't see any way to use
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> > the
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> > > window switcher the way most of us use it. The window switcher
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> > applet
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> > > does not only provide a way of switching between running
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> > applications,
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> > > it also give you a instant view of the status of all the running
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> > > applications. You don't have to stop what you are doing, they are
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> > all
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> > > there at a quick glance, all the time. I constantly have multiple
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> > > windows up, and a quick glance at the panel lets me know what I
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> > need.
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> > > Are there unread emails? Has compilation finished? video finally
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> > > loaded? To find this out with the shell, I need to stop what I'm
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> > doing
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> > >
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> > > and go to the overlay, a definite distraction.
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> > > I thought maybe I was unusual for using it this way, but three out
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> > > the seven use it this way. I know this isn't much of a sample, but
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> > if
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> > > my little group wants this functionality I'm sure there are many
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> > > out there that feel the same.
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> > > Tim Ryan
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> > > Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.
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> > > See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
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> > > On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Milan Bouchet-Valat
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> > nalimilan club fr> wrote:
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> > > > Le jeudi 20 mai 2010 à 14:33 +0000, kaddy080 gmail com a écrit :
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> > >
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> > > >> I am very glad that you are satisfied with the current "non
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> > finished"
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> > > >> version of gnomeshell and how it handles window management..
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> > > >> unfortunately there are alot of other people out here who find
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> > the
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> > > >> current handling of windows bothersome, and not
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> > straightforward....
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> > > >> its a hell of alot easier and
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> > >
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> > > >> quicker to click a minimised application to bring it back up
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> > rather
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> > > >> than zooming out and zooming in on the app, or alt tabbing...
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> > while
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> > > >> this may satisfy YOU.... it doesn't satisfy
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> > > >> alot of other users.... hence an additional modification to
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> > > >> gnome-shell to make life easier for the "others" such as a panel
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> > dock,
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> > > >> or the ability to click on the minimised app in the panel can
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> > > >> be a good thing.... therefore people who are happy to alt
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> > tab/zoom
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> > > >> in/out are satisfied.... and those that want a quicker solution
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> > such
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> > > >> as clicking on a dock/minimised app in the panel are also
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> > > >> satisfied..... otherwise there is going to be people on one side
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> > > >> another who are not going to be happy..... I have proposed the
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> > Panel
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> > > >> dock recently.... I don't see why it shouldn't be taken
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> > seriously....
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> > > >> look at the forums, especially ubuntu forums with threads about
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> > > >> gnome-shell.... most people do not like the way gnome-shell
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> > handles
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> > > >> windows.... I for one will move to another D.E if gnome-shell
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> > gnome 3
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> > > >> is half baked and featureless... but I am putting my faith in the
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> > devs
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> > > >> that they will implement a way to use gnome-shell easy and
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> > quickly
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> > > >> with minimal fuss... The future will be interesting to see what
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> > > >> happens...........
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> > > > Please, rewrite this e-mail using correct punctuation, full
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> > sentences
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> > >
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> > > > starting with a capital and ending with one dot, not hundreds. I
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> > don't
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> > > > even have the courage to read your message as-is. Thanks.
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> > > > Only actual user testing will be able to decide whether people
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> > usually
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> > > > feel good with the overview to switch apps, or whether they adapt
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> > > > reasonably well after some time, being as happy as before.
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> > > > See
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> > http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Design/UsabilityTesting/PhaseI
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> > > > That said, I'm concerned that we, advanced users, make a intensive
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> > use
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> > > > of Alt+Tab currently, effectively often avoiding the overview.
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> > People
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> > >
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> > > > that don't use the keyboard by lack of knowledge of shortcuts
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> > might
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> > > > encounter difficulties we don't have. If we feel Alt+Tab is
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> > needed, then
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> > > > accessing it's features with the mouse might be required too.
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> > > > Instead of complaining, I'd like somebody who really feels the
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> > need for
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> > > > a dock-like feature to actually step in and provide an extension
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> > for it.
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> > > > The Shell is written in _javascript_, you could add a way to
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> > activate
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> > > > Alt+Tab with the mouse in a few lines.
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> > > > Regards
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