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Re: Proposal: Use Ubuntu's MeMenu and Session Menu in the top panel

On 04/06/2010 05:51 PM, Apoorva Sharma wrote:

On Tue, 2010-04-06 at 10:23 -0500, Ryan Peters wrote:

On 04/05/2010 03:44 PM, Apoorva Sharma wrote:

Would it be possible to make the panel system modular, like it is
right now. I understand that there have been discussions that have
culminated in the current gnome shell layout, but I'm sure people
have other preferences, etc. If the new panel was made modular and
extensible, it would make Gnome-shell work with everyone's needs.


This Comment on OMGUbuntu's post regarding the gnome-shell status
area mockups says a lot:


I appreciate the same thing about the gnome team that i do about
Mark Shuttleworth: They're making decisions and rules to increase
cohesion and the looks of Linux. However, the difference between
them is that Marks decisions don't rule out adjustments to take out
his decisions, the Gnome-Team is kinda screwing us over. Only the
system gets to use the top bar? really? i can't put ANYTHING else up
there? No menus, no launchers, no IM, no nothing? So wait, what
happened to open and customizable? What happened to ability to
change?


Why can't Gnome-shell remain customizable? With a modular approach,
people would be able to put things where they want, and make
Gnome-Shell the perfect DE for them.


That being said, there is no reason why the well though out
positioning could be set as default.




Just my 2 cents.

On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Ryan Peters
<sloshy45 sbcglobal net>  wrote:
         Hello Apoorva,


         On 04/04/2010 06:24 PM, Apoorva Sharma wrote:
         >  These two menus are a great innovation that makes the
         >  gnome desktop very easy to use and modern (integrated with
         >  the web). Is it possible to use these menus, by porting
         >  them to look like the System Status menus?
         >
         >
         >  I think it would be an improvement
         >
         >
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         The main problem with that is that those applets aren't
         exactly "available upstream" and are designed specifically
         for Ubuntu. For example, the MeMenu is designed to integrate
         with Ubuntu's default applications, and we shouldn't require
         that people be using these applications. Plus, these panel
         applets are unnecessary because GNOME Shell already includes
         most of their functionality elsewhere, making it redundant
         to re-code those applets into JavaScript (which GNOME Shell
         is written in, as far as I know). A better idea would be to
         use the future Add-Ons system to allow the search bar in the
         GNOME Shell overlay to integrate with Gwibber/Pino/whatever
         application(s) you choose.

         We appreciate your proposal (regardless of the fact that I'm
         not on the development team), but doing this is rather
         unnecessary at this point.

              - Ryan Peters, GNOME Shell Tester


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First of all, if you're going to reply, make sure that you're replying
to the Gnome Shell mailing list alone. The other members haven't
received your message because you sent it to just me. Second, what are
you talking about? The panel is modular, just not in the same way it
used to be. It's fully customizable via JavaScript/CSS (think Firefox
here); all we need now is an easy way to manage "add-ons" for this
purpose.

We're breaking compatability with the old panel applets because, quite
frankly, the old panel was "a mess" (according to the GNOME developers
at least). While on the outside the panel looks fine, on the inside it
isn't so pretty; that's why it's being re-designed for GNOME Shell.
Also, you do know that the GNOME Panel as we know it has been around
for approximately 10 years (give or take a few)? No wonder the panel
seems so "functional and extensible": there has been lots and lots of
time for people to design applets for it. Once GNOME Shell has been
around for as long as the GNOME Panel, because of how easy it is to
customize, I can guarantee that there will be even more customizations
for it than the GNOME Panel ever had.

Also, the notification area shouldn't have a random collection of
icons; this is making it more organized. The application-specific ones
could possibly be in a drop-down-grid-style menu or something, or even
on the bottom with the application notifications or the overlay. Keep
in mind that if you like your GNOME Panel more than GNOME Shell, you
can always use it for the first few releases of GNOME 3. You aren't
forced to use the Shell (I'm thinking of doing this until someone
develops a replacement for Panflute ;) ).

     - Ryan Peters, GNOME Shell tester

P.S. Maybe KDE is your thing more than GNOME is; they seem to care
quite a lot more about customization.
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Don't get me wrong - I love using gnome-shell, and agree with many of
the design decisions that have been made. However, I feel that not
everyone will agree with these decisions, but for the average gnome
user, it is hard to change. For example, if John Doe likes the overlay,
but wants the panel to have the clock on the right instead of the
center, he should be able to change that. If he likes notifications to
be handled by notify-osd instead of the message area, he should be able
to change that.

That said, there is nothing stopping (and I highly encourage) the
gnome-team from making the default install have a setup that follows
their design decisions. However, these decisions shouldn't be forced on
the user.

One thing I've always liked about GNOME is that I could use it how I
want - it didn't force me to use it in any certain way. Now, I feel this
quality is going away.

I don't want people to turn down the major benefits that come with Shell
just because of some small issues they have with its arrangement or
setup.

That said, Gnome-Shell isn't anywhere near a stable release, so I'm sure
these the things that GNOME 2 does better than GNOME 3 will be fixed.

PS: I don't like KDE, and I didn't mean to hit reply, but rather "reply
all" it was a careless mistake.
Where the clock is and other things should be changeable in the future (I mean, why not be able to move it?) and I'm pretty sure that features such as the hot corner will be more easily configurable in the future. Also, I've never really liked notify-OSD personally as you can't click notifications or configure how long they show/how transparent it gets. Regardless, it should be possible somehow to do these things in the future. No worries; we don't intend to force anything like this (hence the whole "open" nature of GNOME). 

    - Ryan Peters
PS: It's fine, everyone makes mistakes :). Also, I can't exactly stand KDE much either.
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