RE: gnome-shell-list Digest, Vol 8, Issue 18

["Shane.Nuessler" <Shane Nuessler canberra edu au>]

Could the shell (or at least gnome 3) some how include gnome-do as
default? Don't you think it will add to the modern gnome?

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Thoughts on the left hand sidebar (Anton Kerezov)
   2. Re: Thoughts on the left hand sidebar (Ross Smith)
   3. Re: Thoughts on the left hand sidebar (Dan Winship)
   4. Re: developing for gnome-shell (Colin Walters)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 15:04:25 +0300
From: Anton Kerezov <ankere gmail com>
Subject: Re: Thoughts on the left hand sidebar
To: Ross Smith <myxiplx googlemail com>
Cc: gnome-shell-list <gnome-shell-list gnome org>,	David Stansby
	<dstansby googlemail com>
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? 10:13 +0100 ?? 17.06.2009 (??), Ross Smith ??????:
> On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 8:53 PM, Anton Kerezov<ankere gmail com>
wrote:
> > I think it would be best to add full screen mode for the sidebar
that
> > modifies with some kind of background that expands to the borders of
the
> > full screen window and makes the illusion that there is no unused
space.
> >
> >
> >
> > As far as your proposals:
> >
> > 1.       This will make it too cluttered
> >
> > 2.       The sidebar was created to remove these functions from the
top
> > panel so we remove this option.
> 
> Can I ask what functions are being moved to the sidebar?  Personally
> I'm not a fan of the sidebar, especially since I think gnome-shell is
> making it possible to have a much tidier interface.  It looks to me
> like a single panel can do everything that's needed, with plenty of
> free space on it too.

It is not about space but organisation of the desktop. By moving all the
functionality in the top part of the screen you will be less effective
because humans like to separate things in groups. By making a sidebar
(that would possibly hide or be styled nice) you have another logical
and intuitive place (still another shelf) to set up you custom files and
applications. Thus you can guess I'm strongly FOR the sidebar.

> 
> And for me, the fact that despite all their efforts, Microsoft are
> removing the Vista sidebar from Windows 7 shows that there really
> aren't many benefits to sidebars.

There is a huge difference between the sidebar in windows and the one
here because of the size and the functionality so such a comparison is
not good imo. 

Does anybody own a Canon digital camera? you can see how things are
grouped there in the UI: left - settings, bottom - shooting stuff and
top - some other stuff you don't need to know but is good to be there in
case you need it. Usually I make the screen as cleans as possible but
would like to have that things associated with the sides of the screen
and to know that I can make them visible if I need them.

Anton




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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 13:11:37 +0100
From: Ross Smith <myxiplx googlemail com>
Subject: Re: Thoughts on the left hand sidebar
To: Anton Kerezov <ankere gmail com>
Cc: gnome-shell-list <gnome-shell-list gnome org>,	David Stansby
	<dstansby googlemail com>
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	<7b160d240906170511p3e729dbbx8a72679e9f8a969f mail gmail com>
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>> > As far as your proposals:
>> >
>> > 1. ? ? ? This will make it too cluttered
>> >
>> > 2. ? ? ? The sidebar was created to remove these functions from the
top
>> > panel so we remove this option.
>>
>> Can I ask what functions are being moved to the sidebar? ?Personally
>> I'm not a fan of the sidebar, especially since I think gnome-shell is
>> making it possible to have a much tidier interface. ?It looks to me
>> like a single panel can do everything that's needed, with plenty of
>> free space on it too.
>
> It is not about space but organisation of the desktop. By moving all
the
> functionality in the top part of the screen you will be less effective
> because humans like to separate things in groups. By making a sidebar
> (that would possibly hide or be styled nice) you have another logical
> and intuitive place (still another shelf) to set up you custom files
and
> applications. Thus you can guess I'm strongly FOR the sidebar.

Hmm, ok, I can see the benefit for pinning favorite items.  In that
case I'd like it hidden by default (with a stub visible), and on the
middle left of the screen.

As just a quick place to add your custom launchers & shortcuts I can
see the use.  It might be nice to be able to right-click any item in
the gnome-shell overlay and select 'add to sidebar'.

That would let you quickly add:
- programs
- documents
- places
- workspaces
- the search bar
- the 'add workspace' button

You could also keep the sidebar stub visible when the overlay is
activated, and allow dragging these elements to it as well.

The only downside to it is that I think it detracts from using the
overlay for launching items.

That's why I'd like it hidden by default - so people have chance to
adjust to using the overlay first, rather than just dumping things on
the sidebar and using that instead of taking the time to get used to
the overlay.


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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 10:57:17 -0400
From: Dan Winship <danw gnome org>
Subject: Re: Thoughts on the left hand sidebar
To: David Stansby <dstansby googlemail com>
Cc: gnome-shell-list <gnome-shell-list gnome org>
Message-ID: <4A39044D 30607 gnome org>
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There are some notes on the sidebar at
http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Sidebar.

In particular:

    * It will be optional, so you can hide it if you don't like it

    * It will be configurable, so you can decide what you do and don't
      want to show in it.

    * There will be more different kinds of things in it, so you can
      add widgets until it stretches to the bottom of the screen if you
      want.

-- Dan



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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 12:25:56 -0400
From: Colin Walters <walters verbum org>
Subject: Re: developing for gnome-shell
To: Carlos Di?genes <cerdiogenes gmail com>
Cc: gnome-shell-list gnome org
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	<faa16b610906170925w4c806691ve2f0d298c40298f6 mail gmail com>
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Hi,

On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 6:49 PM, Carlos Di?genes<cerdiogenes gmail com>
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I would like to make a magnifier for gnome-shell, but after reading a
little
> about it GNOME Live I don't know how to proceed. What is the best way
to
> develop it, as a plugin for mutter or inside gnome-shell?

It probably makes the most sense to do it inside mutter.

> I also don't understand right if gnome-shell will splited from mutter
or
> not, since from some informations I understand that it's use mutter to
not
> have to re implement all the window manager features (I read this in
Owen
> blog), but in GNOME Live it's also state that in some point the
Metacity
> code will be forked and made specific to gnome-shell. So what is the
actual
> plan to the future?

gnome-shell will use mutter, there are no plans to make the two things
one codebase.  What is forked permanently is "mutter" versus
"metacity".


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