Re: Current talk from gnomedesktop.org
- From: Daniel Farrell <daniel farrells org>
- To: MArk Finlay <sisob eircom net>
- Cc: gnome-os gnome org
- Subject: Re: Current talk from gnomedesktop.org
- Date: 10 May 2003 00:11:51 -0400
On Fri, 2003-05-09 at 13:03, MArk Finlay wrote:
> > Well, I wasted a whole evening the other night trying out Redhat 9... and
> > it was a aweful experience... the GUI installer wouldn't work(probably my
> > Radeon 8500AIWDV video card)...
>
> It's possible to do a text based install which is not going to be harder
> than installing debian ;)
Yep, I used the text based installer. Don't know what the problem is
though, RH8 installed fine when I tried it a while back. And fyi,
debian's installer is much easier than red hat's text one... but then
again, I'm familiar with it.
> > and I could only install a bare minimum
> > system off of only 1 CD(was too impatient to download and burn them
> > all)...
>
> Well you NEED at least the first two cds to install a working system so
> the fact that you only used one and ended up with a broken system
> doesn't really say anything against redhat ;)
I think it's silly that I need to download 1.2 Gig+ to burn CD's that I
need to update as soon as I install it. I got a 50Meg Netinst Debian
image and installed over the network.
> > then trying to build the system up from there was not fun... and
> > finally after dealing with lots of dependency problems I just ditched it
> > and reinstalled Debian...
>
> Well if you do a proper install from 2 cds and then install apt and
> synaptic and only use apt sources for rpms instead of random websites
> then you will have no rpm dependency problems. I have gstreamer,
> freshrpms, and "people's repositry" sources set up and have access to
> far more new and useful gnome software than any debian user :)
>
> People compare apt to rpm but that makes no sense as rpm is a package
> format and apt is a distribution system. Apt is just as useful on a
> redhat system as it is on debian - the main advantage of debian being
> the massive repositories - but if one is building a distro from scratch
> that is less important.
>
> My plans totally revolve around apt - they just don't so much revolve
> around debian ;)
Yeah, I have used apt with rpms before. I tried RH8 when it came out.
Synaptic is an aweful UI... need something better than that. And there
are a ton of gnome debs out there... I've got all the software I could
want in debs.
> >
> > So, my vote is for building off of Debian... :-)
> >
>
> Hmm, well I still have to look at it but my impression is that there is
> a LOT more work involved in using debian. Also the gnome community is
> very much gnome-centric and all the other people who have volunteered to
> work on this use redhat.
Lot's of people have built off of Debian... Lindows, Progeny, Libranet,
and Corel to name a few. Must be doing something right. But if your
people want to build off Red Hat, that's your deal. I don't think I'm
game for that. We can still share ideas for more upper level stuff.
> I mean debian still doesn't have a gui installer - and one of the main
> things that I want for the os is to have no necessity to use the cli.
> With the next redhat version it will be possible to install and boot
> without having to see a blinking cursor on a black background once!
Well, the gnome-os peeps were going to port PGI(Progeny's graphical
installer) to Gtk2... That solves that. As for hiding boot
messages... have you never used LPP?
> I would also love to hear how you would plan on building off debian..
I'm tracking unstable... and my plans would be to do some custom
patches on a few packages to get rid of stuff that isn't neccesary for
the desktop and get a nice base. Then the rest is integration and
themes. I'm gonna check to see if any work was ever done on PGI.
Anyone listening on gnome-os know if anything was ever done?
I think that's all I got for now...
Dan
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