Re: [ctwm] Re: GNOME and CTwm linkage

[Anthony Thyssen <anthony griffith edu au>]

Gary Kline on  wrote...
|       This is to both you and Michael--and anyone else wondering why I
|       was asking.  There aren't many problems with Gnome or KDE tools,
|       but enough.  A few apps don't work or else print endless lines to
|       stdout/stderr.  I run FreeBSD and both linux- and native ports of
|       mozilla and firefox.  On my two Ubuntu servers with Gnome no such
|       problems.  No offense to the Gnome/KDE users, but to do what I
|       can do with CTWM on Gnome would entail my spending months getting
|       down to the code level.  Having xterms exactly where I want them,
|       say, in various sizes and typefaces.  And having app X "Occupy"
|       workspace Y, and so forth.
|
|       I'm che--er, thrifty enough that most of my hardware is older and
|       CTWM is efficient whereas Gnome/KDE are gloppy.  It doesn't look
|       as if there's much to be dropped into this wm to make it work
|       better with Gnme. If it would help, the next time I find stderrs
|       on an xterm I could save and edit them.  Would that help?  I've
|       volnteered lots of time/effort over the years to the "BSD
|       movement", but I've begged tons of questions as well, so someone
|       else might better ask "Help" on the lists.
|
|       This brings up the question of whether any kind and generous
|       person might be able to at least answer some questions about
|       making CTWM more compatible.  If there is someone or some
|       international window-manager list, I'm ready to draft a polite
|       letter to see who might offer some clues to make CTWM work
|       seamlessly with Gnome---or, for that matter, *any* application.
|
|       Your thinking about quality rather than "release-often-quantity
|       is right, IMHO.  Still, there could be just a bit more activity
|       here:-)
|
|       cheer,
|
|       gary
|
Wow!  Hear Hear!!!!!
(sound of a single person in the great land down under, applauding)

For the last two years I have been using Gnome panel with CTwm
and some frustrations do continue.

I manually launch gnome-panel and gnme-settings-daemon (to make it work
right) though that latter requires you to reset my installed X
application resources and, Xmodmaps after its 'hidden' window apears.

However my frustrations have rarely been with CTwm handling!
For example CTwms features: NoTitle, OccupyAll, NoBorder, and most
impotantally  BorderLeft  (I use a left panel), hand bee fantastic.

Even CTwm's handling of key bindings ("keyboard-shortcuts" in Gnome
parlance) is a lot better than gnome, though I do let the
gnome-settings-deamon handle some keys (like sound volume).

No, my problems are more with Gnomes inability to customize simpley and
easily and its lack of detailed documentation that is easy to search and
find.

For example.  I do not use or want a full gnome desktop window, and
would like to see something that would prevent it EVER opening.

I launch nautilas file managers with   -no-desktop --browser
options, to stop this.  But you can't set these flags for Trash or
Garbage (depending on your linux).

Speaking of linux. I switch and use exact copies of my home (and login
setup) on lots of different machines (some dual boot) running  Fedora
core 2, 3, 4 and 5, Ubuntu, Suse 10.1 Linux.  I will probably be using
it with lots of other linux's too in keeping with my Job's "UNIX Expert"
Description.

Why is this mentioned!  Because gnome on evry damned one of these
systems has differences that makes may saved 'dot' configuration on one
system, completely stuff up the gnome on another system.

Because of this I have a script that symbolic links about a dozen 'dot'
file directories to specific 'OS' version dot files.  to keep them
seperate.

Of course that means I have to re-setup gnome for each and every OS I
use, something I have never needed to do for CTwm.

As such I applaud any attempt to make CTwm and gnome work more
effectivally, but my findings is that Gnome has more compatability
problems with CTwm, than CTwm has with Gnome.

Any further input and dicussion is of course most welcome.  Particularly
on issues I have described above.  If you like my exact solutions,
mail me. I am glad to share.


  Anthony Thyssen ( System Programmer )    <A Thyssen griffith edu au>
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