Re: Application names

[Marcus Carlson <gnomedesktop tajt nu>]

Christian Rose skrev:
> On 8/10/09, William Jon McCann <william jon mccann gmail com> wrote:
>   
> >  On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 5:12 AM, Vincent Untz<vuntz gnome org> wrote:
> >     
> [...]
>   
> >  > Two questions:
> >  >
> >  >  + unless I missed something, Colin's patch is for gnome-panel only.
> >  >   What about "Open With", and all the other places where we display the
> >  >   applications?
> >
> > An excellent point.  And we should probably consider each of these
> >  individually.  It is a little strange that we are designing FullName
> >  proposal around the implementation details of gnome-panel.  There are
> >  at least two cases for open with.  We have menu entries in context
> >  menus on files and we have the full "Open With" dialog.  My thinking
> >  currently is that "open with" menu should simply use the Name.  Since:
> >   * The default handler is already set and doesn't need to be discovered
> >   * If you are looking for a specific app you know the name
> >   * We don't show the comment either (which is really essential for
> >  discovery) since we assume you recognize the name already
> >   * If you don't find it there you can go into the dialog for for discovery
> >
> >  The "Open With" dialog is another story and has a number of design
> >  problems.  Won't go into those here.
> >
> >  Technically, if we follow the logic of FullName (which is really just
> >  the gnome-panel name) we should also add a OpenWithLabel to the
> >  desktop file or have translatable "actions" since the following is
> >  also wrong:
> >  g_strdup_printf (_("Open with %s"), g_app_info_get_name (application));
> >
> >  Right?  Unless we don't consider names to be translated or require
> >  articles or the resulting string to be a proper sentence.
> >     
>
> This is an interesting point. Yes, an OpenWithLabel is probably
> actually needed for translation reasons. Another example, using
> Swedish:
>
> "Open with" -> "Öppna med"
>
> but
>
> Wrong: "Öppna med Webbläsaren Epiphany"
> Correct: "Öppna med webbläsaren Epiphany"
>
> The reason is that the capitalization rules in Swedish (and this is
> true for many languages) are rather strict compared to English; only
> the beginning of sentences and proper names must ever be capitalized.
> Concepts like book title capitalization does not exist in Swedish and
> would be considered a grammatical error.
>
> But this is of course a whole other issue.
>
>   
Just for information, the prefix "Open with" was removed from nautilus 
(see [1]) but it might present in other applications.

[1] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=587533
>   
> >  >  + translators have stated that it's wrong to do "Name - GenericName"
> >  >   programmatically. So, hrm, why would we not listen to them?
> >
> > That hasn't been established.  In the xdg-list thread one of the last
> >  comments from Christian Rose said this:
> >  "Webbläsare - Epiphany" or "Webbläsare (Epiphany)" is not wrong per
> >  se, it's just bad language style."
> >     
>
> I was using Swedish as an example as it is my mother tongue. And your
> question was about my specific example, using Swedish. That does not
> imply that this issue may have, and probably has, other implications
> on some of the world's other several thousand languages! Please do not
> generalize. In my experience, it is better not to assume too much
> about other languages and their conformity with English.
>
>
> Christian
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