Re: A call to action
- From: Kevin Cullis <kevincu orci com>
- To: Gerry Chu <gerrychu bigfoot com>
- Cc: GNOME-Gui <gnome-gui-list gnome org>
- Subject: Re: A call to action
- Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 14:25:04 -0600
Gerry Chu wrote:
>
> It seems like our great little mailing list and the hitsquad have been for
> quite a long time swept into the backwaters of GNOME development.
>
> Here's the beginning of a file dialog thread on gtk-devel-list:
> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gtk-devel-list/2000-August/msg00241.html
>
> Here's an announcement of a new file dialog with screenshots:
> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gtk-devel-list/2000-August/msg00251.html
>
> And here's the sourceforge page: http://sourceforge.net/projects/gtkfilesel/
>
> No mention at all of us. No mention of whether the developers cared about
> ui issues. And this isn't the first time we have been left behind.
>
> I guess it brings that infamous old free software addage to mind: if you
> want it, code it yourself.
>
> I think some core GNOME developer (eazel?) needs to organize the mailing
> list, the hitsquad, and developers to commit to a written down process on
> how new ui designs for GNOME / GTK programs and widgets are going to be
> finalized into _release_ form. I think our mailing list is a great resource
> for bringing together users and novice to expert ui designers--anyone who
> cares about how GNOME appears to the end user together.
>
> Once in a while, there's an misguided article about GNOME has no ui-team, no
> ui-standards page, etc, etc. And then I think: wait--what's this person
> talking about? We have the hitsquad, we have this mailing list, he have...
>
> But we don't have anything to show for it. The mailing list has high
> turnover, nothing from the hitsquad has been integrated, and eazel has
> dramatically changed the decision-making structure of the GNOME community.
>
> Ideas? Comments? Arlo?
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Gerry Chu
> gerrychu bigfoot com
Gerry,
I think it's not only about GNOME GUI, but what about Star Office as
well? Where is GNOME Foundation going since SO is suppose to use GNOME
stuff? I just subscribed to the Openoffice mailing list and I think we
should get together with them to see how this can work.
I absolutely agree that a process should be written down and followed.
I'm currently helping LDP in reorganizing the HOWTOs, etc., to make the
organization much easier to find answers. I'm also working with a
programmer friend to come up with a programmers HOWTO (a new name will
be needed) to assist other programmers with documenting their work.
Bottomline: it's all about communication and programmers want to bang
bytes first and write latter, which inevitiably slows the process down.
The question is: What do we need to do first? Has anyone done this? Or
is it the programmers only who are working?
Kevin Cullis
kevincu orci com
Denver, CO
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