[as387@yfn.ysu.edu: Re: Random thought...]

[Tom Vogt <tom lemuria org>]

I decided to forward all of it, sun. :)

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> Tom Vogt wrote:
> > 
> > Dan Effugas Kaminsky <effugas@best.com> wrote:
> > > >> so you're arguing that we should keep quit in the file menu in order to
> > > >> be consistent with _other gui's_?
> > > >>
> > > >> i won't insult your intelligence by telling you what's wrong with that
> > > >> argument.
> > > >[...]
> > > >
> > > >lots of stuff snipped.
> > > >
> > > >ok, I - and I guess most people around - see that it's all a matter of
> > > >interpretation. to me, this is quite different from what you make out of
> > > it.
> > >
> > > Huh?  I'm not sure of your position here.  I doubt it's as extreme as sun's,
> > > tho.
> > 
> > I doubt sun's position is extreme. come on, this is pretty straightforward.
> > it's a SPECIFIC criticism to a very specific point. and I do agree 100% with
> > sun that just because some other ui does something it's way, gnome is not
> > oblieged to copy that.
> > 
> > to me - and please, sun, correct me if I'm wrong - what he was saying is
> > that gnome needs to be consistent with ITSELF, not with other stuff.
> 
> this is correct. i maintain my position that since consistency with
> other ui's has been discarded as argumentation _for_ implementing
> anything else (for instance, object architectures: see the ongoing
> discussion in gnome-list regarding com and kom vs. orbit, and ole vs.
> ole2 vs. opendoc vs. baboon), that we should also discard consistency
> with other ui's as argumentation for implementing actual ui devices.
> 
> the reason for this is because i feel that no one else in the computing
> industry has an opportunity to innovate like we do. all other companies
> and projects are building on pre-existing computing platforms, wide
> customer bases running and depending on software already installed, and
> fearful followers who don't want to expend resources to upgrade entire
> systems at a time. i feel we should leap on the opportunity to start
> with a fresh, blank canvas and correct all the faults everyone else
> made. i feel, like many gnome founders, that if our product is solid
> enough, looks good enough, and is easy enough to use, the customers will
> find _us_ and _want_ to use our tools instead, just like people swarm to
> linux itself. yes, it's different. yes, it will mean changing. but yes,
> it will also means that we're doing the job, doing it right, and making
> people happy.
> 
> any or all of this post may be redirected to gnome-gui-list as you see
> fit.
> 
> --
> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
> safety
> deserve neither liberty nor safety." --Benjamin Franklin

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