Re: Clearing up some things (plus flame retardant # 2)

["Dan Kaminsky" <effugas best com>]

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Vogt <tom@lemuria.org>
To: gnome-gui-list@gnome.org <gnome-gui-list@gnome.org>
Date: Friday, July 31, 1998 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: Clearing up some things (plus flame retardant # 2)


>Bowie Poag <bjp@primenet.com> wrote:
>> days, so the general public participating in the Conference will be able
>> to look at it.
>
>> Why wait for the Conference to talk about it? Simple -- The concept of
>> Compliancy Levels is something which is best addressed by a very, very
>> large number of people.
>
>
>excuse my stupidity - but if you consider an irc conference "the general
>public", then what in hell is this list?


Not the general public.  There are about a half dozen continually active
participants in here, and a bunch of lurkers.  I can't tell you how many
lists I *don't* subscribe to because I don't have the time--the GIMP lists,
the other GNOME lists, Linux lists...

>do you expect more people on irc than on a mailing list? considering that
>about half of them won't be participating because it's early monday morning
>for them? (saturday night would have been a better time!)


Computer geeks stay up late :-)  Anyway, the time has to shift around--it's
3AM SOMEWHERE in the world at all times.  Who are you to screw over the
Japanese Contingent?  :-)

>
>
>[...metaphors deleted...]
>
>these examples are not appropriate. nobody is trying to steal something.
>your reasons for keeping the tabs on the document are different. don't make
>your life more difficult by explaining them with bad examples. :)


Nobody is trying to "steal" anything at a water fountain.  Anyway, the best
example was the one I brought up earlier:  Coding project starts, everybody
contributes code, but before a common namespace is decided on, before
standard toolkits are defined, and before the programming language is
defined.  End result is a mess.

Tom, you don't have a problem with the way Bowie's doing this.  You have a
problem with the fact that Bowie himself is running this show, and you don't
like his style--pun not intentional.  I happen to agree with you, to some
degree--it really is bad for a maintainer to flame, and we really need to
see more progress out of him(but then, that's what Sunday is for, and I
agree with his reasons for waiting)--but neither of you wants to put your
incomplete versions of the style guide frameworks up for discussion.

I say, give Bowie a chance.  Lets see what kind of work he comes up with on
Sunday.

>and we're doing it. if you would hate reading an alternative proposal,
don't
>check your mails this weekend. :)


I don't hate the idea of reading an alternate proposal.  In fact, I look
forward to it.  I'm sure the final framework will be somewhere between the
two of yours.

However, once a unified frame work is decided on, I really hope everybody
settles their differences--or else, I'll have to write a keybox writeup in
the Official Style Sheet style, and then another keybox writeup in the Rebel
Style Sheet style.  Someone give me a Linux Style Sheet Standard Base!  ;-)