Re: [gnome-flashback] Gnome Flashback

[Dmitry Shachnev <mitya57 ubuntu com>]

Hey,

On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 6:01 PM, Alberts Muktupāvels
<alberts muktupavels gmail com> wrote:
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> > The last question from you that I'm aware of showed a complete lack of
> > understanding what each branch is targeted at - although I had
> > documented that _repeatedly_. Which shows me that you don't even read
> > the mails that I write.
>
>
> I have read probably all e-mails in this mailing list. I still think that
> all in master can be targeted to 3.8 version. That is why I asked. I am not
> going to spend my time to commit same changes to different branches when
> that is not needed. Your released version 3.8 from my view is just 3.6.3
> version. As now I am working with 3.10 I just wanted to know if you will
> want to release 3.8.1 from master or not.

For 3.8.x we have a special branch, and it is not master. In master
there were some ABI breaks that are unacceptable for a minor release.

> > I think that touches the base of our problem.
> > I had asked for help in rescuing lost features from
> > gnome-settings-daemon et al, and figuring out how to ship them as part
> > of Gnome Flashback. Alberts is the one actually actively coding, but
> > only interested in modernizing the code base, getting rid of deprecated
> > function usage, and killing GConf.
>
>
> You asked, but why you are not trying to do it yourself?
>
> Yes, I am interested in these things. Why? Because I want use this session
> today, tomorrow, after some month, after some years. I don't like unity nor
> gnome-shell. So I am thinking about future. If we are not going to fix
> deprecated things now what will happen when we will want to make this
> session to work with gtk 4? Porting or rewriting all things than will be a
> lot harder than it is now.

+1

> > To be blunt: At the moment, I don't see us (the subproject) surviving
> > the move to a (still hypothetical) Gtk+ 4, where things like a
> > deprecated GtkHBox would actually disappear on us. So this kind of work
> > is just not my priority, and we don't have the strength to pull of a
> > libpanel-applet ABI bump, much less just for the sake of "just" removing
> > a GConf dependency.
>
> Exactly! We won't survive if we are not going to do something about it. Why
> you so match care about not bumping ABI version? If it where done few month
> ago there would be plenty of time to adapt these changes. Of course this
> could make un-maintained applets to not work with new version. But if it is
> good applet we can add it in our source tree.

+1, deprecated stuff in libpanel-applet has caused some applets that
was building without Gtk deprecations to fail to build recently
(indicator-applet namely).

> > Alberts: of course I cannot tell you what to work on. I agree with
> > Dmitry, that it would be best if you continue your work upstream, but in
> > a feature branch. Create a "feature/remove-foo" or
> > "feature/modernize-bar" branch, work there, and ask us to review it,
> > when it's ready. And please try for good commit messages, including
> > references to bugzilla or relevant mailing list threads.
>
> Why would I create these branches which may never get merged? So I create
> branch x, than create branch y and branch z. All branches I will need to
> create from master. If one will get merged than I will need update all other
> branches. Extra work will be needed.
>
> > So, what will we do with master ? ATM I lean towards skipping 3.10
> > entirely, switching everybody to building in a 3.11 environment ASAP,
> > and trying to hit the 3.12 release.
>
> Why skip 3.10? Is there any real reason for it? gnome-panel is no longer
> official part of gnome. We should focus on fixing and improving it not just
> to catch up gnome release cycle. What is point to release gnome-panel 3.12
> if it is basically still 3.6.2 if my changes are going to be reverted?

3.12 will be released this month, so I don't mind if we skip 3.10 :)

> Metacity. Are we going to use gtk 2 version forever?
>
> https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GnomeFlashback:
> There is clearly written that we need to port to gtk3. I have working gtk3
> version, I am using it almost two month. I did write about it in this
> mailing list. Does anybody cares about it?

Does any of you have commit rights to Metacity? I think that is the
biggest problem.

> Have anyone tested it without me?

I have tested (and even reported a bug (about screen flickering while
switching windows)).

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Dmitry Shachnev