[gnome-flashback] What to do about gnome-panel in 3.8 ?

[Philipp Kaluza <floss ghostroute eu>]

Hi All,

Gnome 3.8 is just around the corner, and we kinda dropped the ball on
getting up and running in time. I am partially to blame for this, as I
initially didn't push hard enough on the naming discussion, and then had
more trouble to get jhbuild into a good place than in earlier cycles -
related to trying to get the new code running with my old (wheezy)
system-wide ConsoleKit.

As it currently stands, I assume the release notes will talk about the
deprecation and removal of Fallback mode. If we want to change that
message, we should act now. Review https://live.gnome.org/GnomeFlashback
, contact the release team about a little shout-out in the release
notes, and roll 3.8 tarballs.

Related to the last part: I've been playing a bit further with
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=694625 . By explicitly
mix&matching Gnome components to match with the system components in
Debian Wheezy, I've been able to get a session started with the provided
patch (only having gnome-session load component "nautilus" instead of
"nautilus-classic"). I'd much rather like to test / have somebody test a
full jhbuild against a current set of system components. If anybody
could test this or point me in the right direction (e.g. "Arch linux
release X has current stuff OOTB, just install dev packages a, b and z
and jhbuild."), I'd appreciate it. As is, I _could_ see us releasing the
patch and declaring the Flashback session definition a "technology
preview" or similar, if we have consensus that this communication
strategy should lead to more good than bad, and less general
misunderstandings, rather than more. Either way, I see us dealing with
bugfixes well after 3.8.1, but I think that's worth it.

(Oh and yes, this would break a ton of gnome freezes, but I guess that's
better than not being part of the upstream release at all.)

What does everybody think ? Please reply also if you only have a quick
answer for one of my questions, as I really think we should get the
communication going again ASAP.

Cheers,
  Philipp