Re: [g-a-devel] Trying to understand STATE_SENSITIVE

[David Bolter <david bolter utoronto ca>]

Hi Will,  I'm glad you are using your expertise here :-)

FWIW I'm glad Aaron is kicking at the apple cart... we really should 
make sure it is solid.

Apples do grow on trees after all..  :-P

D

Willie Walker wrote:
> Here's the Javadoc from AccessibleState in the Swing toolkit:
>
> http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.2/docs/api/javax/accessibility/AccessibleState.html#ENABLED
>
> If I recall correctly from when I helped define/write the Java
> Accessibility API almost 10 years ago(!), it corresponds directly to the
> value set here:
>
> http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.2/docs/api/java/awt/Component.html#setEnabled(boolean)
>
> When I look at the Java access bridge for GNOME, however, I see that
> perhaps my interpretation of SENSITIVE and ENABLED seems to be different
> from the interpretation made by the author of the bridge:
>
> http://svn.gnome.org/viewcvs/*checkout*/java-access-bridge/trunk/bridge/org/GNOME/Accessibility/StateTypeAdapter.java?content-type=text%2Fplain
>
> In any case, it looks like the Java API's use 'enabled' as their word.
> The word 'sensitive' seems to be a GTK-ism, and I'm guessing the whole
> enabled/sensitive state thing was invented with the AT-SPI.  At this
> point in time, however, I'm not sure of the value in upsetting the apple
> cart -- the best thing would be to make the docs better.
>
> Will
>
> On Fri, 2007-01-19 at 16:06 +0000, Bill Haneman wrote:
>   
> > David Bolter wrote:
> >     
> > > sigh... make that "shouldn't have"...  ever had one of those days?
> > >
> > > D
> > >
> > >   
> > >       
> > Yes :-)
> >
> > Folks, the truth is I just don't know/remember at the moment, without 
> > digging deep into the toolkits.  I'm on leave today and this weekend, so 
> > can't be all that useful until Monday.  I'll try to figure out, among 
> > other things, what this was supposed to mean in Java-land, because a 
> > number of states including the ones under current discussion were a 
> > legacy inherited from javax.accessibility.  Maybe Peter K. knows?
> >
> > I agree that we shouldn't drag useless stuff around forever, but my 
> > concern is that just because something doesn't make sense to myself and 
> > you guys at this moment, it doesn't mean that it wasn't useful and 
> > sensible when originally mooted.  Now seems like a good time to nail it 
> > down (and document it better than it was apparently documented before).
> >
> > Bill
> >
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