Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP Version 2.8.16

[Elle Stone <ellestone ninedegreesbelow com>]

Hi Kenny,

In case Alex's suggestion to activate the legacy theme doesn't actually 
fix enough of the differences between "new gimp" and "old gimp", another 
possibility might be to install VirtualBox in your newest version of 
Mint, and then install in a virtual machine the last version of Mint 
that will install and run GIMP 2.8.

Maybe you've already considered using a virtual machine, but if not, 
VirtualBox does allow to open/export/save files back and forth between 
the virtual machine's and real machine's hard drives. Once everything is 
running properly, make a backup copy of the virtual machine 
configuration files and especially the VDI (virtual disk image) in case 
the one you use every day somehow gets corrupted.

VirtualBox can be set up to run seamlessly inside the host Linux 
installation. I haven't used VirtualBox in several years, but back when 
I did use it regularly, it worked flawlessly to allow running an old 
operating system and software. I transferred that virtual machine 
through quite a few hardware and operating system changes, and it always 
worked like a charm.

I did find a pre-made, downloadable virtual machine for Mint 19:
https://www.linuxvmimages.com/images/virtualbox/
https://www.linuxvmimages.com/images/linuxmint-19/

Maybe somewhere there is a pre-made image for Mint 18 if Mint 19 won't 
work. But if you can install an operating system on bare metal, 
installing the same operating system in a virtual machine involves just 
about the exact same procedure - the difficult part is setting 
everything up to get to the point of actually being able to start 
installing the selected operating system.

Fortunately the VirtualBox forums are pretty good, or at least they used 
to be. Also there used to be (and probably still are) a lot of "how 
to's" on the internet, but at least in the past the "how to's"  were 
outdated almost as soon as they were written as VirtualBox itself was 
changing rapidly. So it's necessary to make sure the "how to" applies to 
the more recent versions of VirtualBox.

Probably the Mint forums could help, and the Arch Linux documentation 
always seem to have good, up-to-date "how tos" that often apply to other 
versions of Linux.

Best regards,
Elle


On 9/4/20 8:01 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine via gimp-user-list wrote:
> But Kenny,
>
> You do not have to go back to 2.8 to get back the old user interface.
>
> 'Edit > Preferences > Interface > Theme / Icon Theme' will give you
> legacy options.
>
> Alex
>
> On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 2:46 AM Kenny Mann <kenny mann mal gmail com> wrote:
> > I don't have the skills to compile GIMP from 
> > <https://download.gimp.org/mirror/pub/gimp/v2.8/gimp-2.8.22.tar.bz2>
> >
> > The new interface in GIMP 2.10 is a problem somewhat unique to me. I have a neurological disorder. Navigating 
> > anything -- walking to the grocery store and back, traveling by trains, buses, airplanes, sometimes even 
> > finding the kitchen in my house -- is dependent on life-long-learned tricks that are based in objective 
> > visible familiarity. This neural disorder is worsening.
> >
> > After using Photoshop since v. 2.2, I've been using GIMP 2.8 in Linux Mint 17 and 18 for years. I work in GIMP 2.8 
> > for hours every day. Samples: <https://nowvthen.tumblr.com/archive> No prob.
> >
> > The threshold for gaining use of GIMP 2.10 would take unknown weeks of mostly failure, due to the lack of 
> > neural mapping I have for the interface. Read: It looks only similar to anyplace I've ever been and it's a 
> > place I have no readable map for. To me, the (neural) map has blots that most people will easily read in the 
> > GIMP 2.10 interface as easily recognizable information.
> >
> > The app manager in Mint 20 will only install GIMP 2.10 -- and <https://www.gimp.org/downloads/> has only a 
> > button for a flatpack of GIMP 2.10
> >
> > GIMP 2.8 is available to install from the app manager in Mint 18.
> >
> > For now, I can boot a drive that's fully set up in Mint 18 with GIMP 2.8. I can use that for as long as it 
> > hasn't gotten corrupted on my computer. I can do a fresh install of Mint 18 for as long as that version is 
> > supported. I'd like to get ahead on having a fresh OS install. Becoming cognizant of GIMP 2.10 would be a big 
> > delay. At my age, that's real iffy.
> >
> > I've been doing okay with Mint 20 -- having spent weeks making the Cinnamon version appear as much like Mint 
> > 18 Cinnamon as possible.
> >
> > Which will hold on longer -- Mint 18/GIMP 2.8 or me? Should I spend that time mapping-out a new territory or 
> > do I get to keep working along the road that has what I need to recognize where I am?
> >
> > Legacy is something that app developers have a long harsh history of overlooking. (Among others, I once worked 
> > closely with Apple Newton developers, for instance. <sigh> May Steve rest in peace.) Viable available legacy 
> > is important. We're all legacy, sooner or later.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 3:03 PM Alexandre Prokoudine <alexandre prokoudine gmail com> wrote:
> > > On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 1:00 AM Kenny Mann wrote:
> > > > Why is GIMP 2.8.16 not available?
> > >
> > > Source code: https://download.gimp.org/pub/gimp/v2.8/gimp-2.8.16.tar.bz2
> > > Windows: https://download.gimp.org/pub/gimp/v2.8/windows/gimp-2.8.16-setup-6.exe
> > > macOS: https://download.gimp.org/pub/gimp/v2.8/osx/gimp-2.8.16-x86_64-1.dmg
> > >
> > > We are not under any kind of obligation to provide direct links to
> > > obsolete releases from the main downloads page.
> > >
> > > Alex
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