Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP testing cooperation

[Jehan Pagès <jehan marmottard gmail com>]

Hello Sam,

On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 9:15 AM, Sam Gleske <sam mxracer gmail com> wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 6:03 AM, Jehan Pagès <jehan marmottard gmail com>
> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 10:20 AM, gregory grey <ror6ax gmail com> wrote:
> > > I know about build.gimp.org.
> > >
> > > I just wanted to raise this question to the attention of the team - of
> > > whether there is a need to support own CI if security is not an
> > > issue.It is literally only reason people do that now when we have
> > > travis-ci.org/https://circleci.com/etc.Travis is even free for
> > > opensource projects.
> > >
> > > https://build.gimp.org/plugin/disk-usage/ looks pretty full to me, for
> > > example. External CI do not have problems with that.
> >
> > We know of the disk usage issue:
> > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=776631
> > That's one of the many issues which triggered us into either looking
> > for alternative solutions or collaboration or whatever you want.
> > Basically we want something which works, is useful and reliable. The
> > "need" stops there.
> >
> > After, which software is it using? I think we don't really care. Now
> > obviously we'd prefer our whole infrastructure to run on Free
> > Software. And personally I like self-hosting for full control. But
> > then there is reality check: it requires contributor time and
> > administration skills. So in the end, the CI contributor(s) choose. In
> > the GIMP team, our policy is more or less that the one who *do* are
> > the one who are in charge of what they do.
> >
> > Jehan
>
>
> Since I don't appear to be seen as a contributor or "doer" I'm happy to just
> step down completely and remove myself from the project.  Much as I like
> GIMP I don't really like the tone of the thread.

I don't really understand what triggers this sudden anger but I see
you are quoting one of my last emails. And if that is your trigger,
then you got the opposite of its meaning since what it meant is that
*you* were the one in charge since *you* are the one who does right
now! So whoever who wants something different has to go through you
first then help you make things happen.

You are considered a contributor and a doer. That's even what I said
in my first email (if you haven't, please read it:
https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list/2016-September/msg00018.html),
which was the most important, answering Vladimir and telling him to
get in touch with you because you are the one making things happen
right now. That's pretty much the definition of both a contributor of
the project and a doer.

Now if the problem is that we are welcoming additional administrators
who want to help (especially if they could be backed by a big company
like RedHat), I don't understand. Having additional administrators
won't mean at all that we reject you or anything, quite the contrary
(cf. again my first email). But if you absolutely want to be alone to
administrate (and if that were your issue here), then yes it is a
problem. You don't have all the time of the world to maintain
perfectly the server (which is no big deal at all! You also have a
life and do this voluntarily. We thank you for this), but several
admins together could. Same as we are several developers (fortunately
since none of us could maintain GIMP as well as now if we were alone).

Our problem was clear: we have only 1 maintainer for continuous
integration and you don't have unlimited time. So having a second
person to help could be a good idea. Now if you really leave, we have
0 admins, and even if someone else stepped us, we'd be back at square
1.
So this is it. I really want to make things clear because it seems you
have been completely misinterpreting this 1-year old thread. Anyway
you are free to choose and we still thank you for all what you have
done until now. But just consider things with their proper meaning.
:-)

Jehan

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