Re: [Gimp-developer] Plans to resolve hotkey conflicts?

[C R <cajhne gmail com>]

I will, I was just hoping it might be a quick fix.
Thanks.
-C


On 17 Dec 2016 1:27 pm, "Jehan Pagès" <jehan marmottard gmail com> wrote:

> By the way,
>
> On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 12:30 PM, C R <cajhne gmail com> wrote:
> > however could you fix the ones I've highlighted?
>
> You should open bug reports. I don't have time (or the will) to do
> this just now, and I will have forgotten about this in a few hours
> (and in a few days, this email will be lost in the bottom of my
> mailbox).
> If you want bugs to leave a trace and not be forgotten, you should
> open bug reports. They can then also be dealt by other developers (not
> only me) later on so you improve chances of seeing this being taken
> care of.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Jehan
>
> > Thanks.
> > -C
> >
> >
> > On 17 Dec 2016 4:38 am, "Jehan Pagès" <jehan marmottard gmail com>
> wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 11:10 AM, C R <cajhne gmail com> wrote:
> > > > Thanks Alex.
> > > >
> > > > And I'm still getting overlaping hotkeys with:
> > >
> > > Ok so it seems you are talking of something different from what
> > > Alexandre linked. This commit was about duplicate shortcuts. You are
> > > talking about what GTK+ calls "mnemonics", which is this underlined
> > > character on menu items or buttons. This commit did indeed nothing
> > > related to mnemonics.
> > >
> > > I don't really know what is the deal with mnemonics because that's a
> > > real mess by design. Indeed having duplicated mnemonics is hard to
> > > check since a same action can be used in various contexts (different
> > > menus, dialogs…). In one case, it may be fine, but in others, it
> > > won't.
> > >
> > > I think I read someone saying that maybe GTK+ would be getting away
> > > from mnemonics in the long run but I can't find any actual reference
> > > to this (apart from the fact that it is not possible to see them by
> > > default in GTK+3 apparently, without pressing Alt). So I don't know.
> > >
> > > > s - Hue/Saturation, Colourise
> > >
> > > That's another case which shows the problem with mnemonics: by
> > > default, the label is "Colori_ze" (with a mnemonic on 'z'), but the
> > > translator changed it to 's' (obviously you are using UK English). So
> > > there is no conflicts in US English, but there is one in UK English.
> > > This is too much of a burden on translators to be able to change
> > > mnemonics (so should they be expected to check every place where they
> > > are used, as well as developers?).
> > >
> > > Anyway I don't really have good answers for you. You can try and open
> > > bug reports for the conflicts you find and we'll try to fix them. But
> > > we likely won't be 100% sure that we won't create new mnemonics
> > > conflicts somewhere else by fixing them in this specific menu. And the
> > > ones on translated strings will be even more annoying. Maybe we should
> > > ask translators to not change mnemonics even when the translation does
> > > not have the letter? (they would add a "(z)" at the end of the string.
> > > That's what they do in languages with indirect input like Japanese,
> > > though it could feel like a stepback for a lang such as UK English)
> > >
> > > Jehan
> > >
> > > > e - Desaturate, Color Temperature
> > > > x - Exposure, Retinex
> > > >
> > > > I'm running the gimp-edge repo.
> > > > The current one is:
> > > > gimp 2.9.5~58-0y0~ppa~9f15ad6
> > > >
> > > > It also seems there is a bug that forces the user to press the over
> > > > arrow to access the hotkeys for sub-menus.
> > > > For example, the key combination alt+c > e > d should call up the
> > > > desaturate dialog, but the user must use this combination instead:
> > > > alt+c > e > right arrow > d.
> > > >
> > > > Is this possibly a GTK bug?
> > > > All the styling on the new menus looks great btw.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks.
> > > > -C
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 9:14 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine
> > > > <alexandre prokoudine gmail com> wrote:
> > > > > On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 11:46 AM, C R wrote:
> > > > > > The Colour menu has again become a mess of conflicting hotkeys.
> > > > > > Can someone reassign/resolve them?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Probably a good idea to get rid of some of the duplicate functions
> > > > > > like "drop shadow" and the proliferation of duplicate desaturate
> > > > > > actions. :)
> > > > >
> > > > > Done three weeks ago:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > https://git.gnome.org/browse/gimp/commit/?id=
> 2a232398c4ad5a3108b5ad75be7bc8ef5d98e6fb
> > > > > Alex
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