Re: [Gimp-developer] Plans to resolve hotkey conflicts?

[C R <cajhne gmail com>]

Thanks for the explanation. I don't imagine it's possible to avoid them
all, however could you fix the ones I've highlighted? I guess a workaround
would be to change to the American English version? Seems not a good
solution.

Another fix would be to leave the mnemonics as they are, and just make it
possible to hit the same letter twice to get to the next one. - This works
the first time, but it switches which entry is highlighted each time the
combination is used. If it were simply consistent each time I'd consider it
a non-issue.

Can this behaviour be fixed?

Thanks.
-C


On 17 Dec 2016 4:38 am, "Jehan Pagès" <jehan marmottard gmail com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 11:10 AM, C R <cajhne gmail com> wrote:
> > Thanks Alex.
> >
> > And I'm still getting overlaping hotkeys with:
>
> Ok so it seems you are talking of something different from what
> Alexandre linked. This commit was about duplicate shortcuts. You are
> talking about what GTK+ calls "mnemonics", which is this underlined
> character on menu items or buttons. This commit did indeed nothing
> related to mnemonics.
>
> I don't really know what is the deal with mnemonics because that's a
> real mess by design. Indeed having duplicated mnemonics is hard to
> check since a same action can be used in various contexts (different
> menus, dialogs…). In one case, it may be fine, but in others, it
> won't.
>
> I think I read someone saying that maybe GTK+ would be getting away
> from mnemonics in the long run but I can't find any actual reference
> to this (apart from the fact that it is not possible to see them by
> default in GTK+3 apparently, without pressing Alt). So I don't know.
>
> > s - Hue/Saturation, Colourise
>
> That's another case which shows the problem with mnemonics: by
> default, the label is "Colori_ze" (with a mnemonic on 'z'), but the
> translator changed it to 's' (obviously you are using UK English). So
> there is no conflicts in US English, but there is one in UK English.
> This is too much of a burden on translators to be able to change
> mnemonics (so should they be expected to check every place where they
> are used, as well as developers?).
>
> Anyway I don't really have good answers for you. You can try and open
> bug reports for the conflicts you find and we'll try to fix them. But
> we likely won't be 100% sure that we won't create new mnemonics
> conflicts somewhere else by fixing them in this specific menu. And the
> ones on translated strings will be even more annoying. Maybe we should
> ask translators to not change mnemonics even when the translation does
> not have the letter? (they would add a "(z)" at the end of the string.
> That's what they do in languages with indirect input like Japanese,
> though it could feel like a stepback for a lang such as UK English)
>
> Jehan
>
> > e - Desaturate, Color Temperature
> > x - Exposure, Retinex
> >
> > I'm running the gimp-edge repo.
> > The current one is:
> > gimp 2.9.5~58-0y0~ppa~9f15ad6
> >
> > It also seems there is a bug that forces the user to press the over
> > arrow to access the hotkeys for sub-menus.
> > For example, the key combination alt+c > e > d should call up the
> > desaturate dialog, but the user must use this combination instead:
> > alt+c > e > right arrow > d.
> >
> > Is this possibly a GTK bug?
> > All the styling on the new menus looks great btw.
> >
> > Thanks.
> > -C
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 9:14 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine
> > <alexandre prokoudine gmail com> wrote:
> > > On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 11:46 AM, C R wrote:
> > > > The Colour menu has again become a mess of conflicting hotkeys.
> > > > Can someone reassign/resolve them?
> > > >
> > > > Probably a good idea to get rid of some of the duplicate functions
> > > > like "drop shadow" and the proliferation of duplicate desaturate
> > > > actions. :)
> > >
> > > Done three weeks ago:
> > >
> > > https://git.gnome.org/browse/gimp/commit/?id=
> 2a232398c4ad5a3108b5ad75be7bc8ef5d98e6fb
> > > Alex
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