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Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP release: 2.8.10 request, OS X

Hi Jehan,

I am happy to work both ways. As you will see on Google+ or Flickr, and
from the emails I receive, integrated plugins seems to be something that a
lot of folks prefer and easier for me as well. Hence, I would opt for Door
number 2, as long as there is no goat behind it :) (Sorry couldn't resist
the reference to Monty Hall).

Thanks,
Partha



On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 2:17 AM, Jehan Pagès <jehan marmottard gmail com>wrote:


Hi,

On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 11:55 PM, Partha Bagchi <partha1b gmail com> wrote:

Hi Jehan,

I don't patch Gimp anymore. In the past I did due to issues with language
UI, file size issues on Windows, etc. I feel that the source is quite

mature

and does not need patching.

I started building the Windows version back during Gimp 2.7.1 when there
were no betas available and also no 64-bit python. I also wanted a pure
64-bit build. So, I took it upon myself to learn how to build all the
dependencies and build Gimp. Similarly, I started building the OSX

version

when there was no pure OSX version and I wanted to learn how to build an

app

for Mac, and hence McGimp.

For your question 3a ( you have 3 twice ;) ) - I have always mentioned

the

plugins I consider useful for photography on my website. I am reproducing
the list here for completeness - you can always get the latest list from

my

builds:
1.  G'MIC
2.  Simple Bilateral Blur (edge preserving smoothing)
3.  Save and Export
4.  Resynthesizer
5.  Refocus-it
6.  David's Batch Processor
7.  Exif-Browser
8.  Wavelet-Denoise
9.  Wavelet-Sharpen
10. Wavelet-Decompose
11. Texture Tiler
12. Fix Chromatic Aberration
13. Satequalizer (saturation equalizer)
14. Advance Unsharp Mask
15. Liquid Scaling (liquid rescale)
16. Separate+ (color management in Gimp)
17. Advanced Tone Mapping (faux HDR)
18. Recover Shadows and Highlights
19. ShellOut
20. BIMP

For question 3b, nothing prevents me from working with you. I think I do
bring whatever issues I find to everyone's attention here.

Finally as far as IRC is concerned, I have absolutely nothing against it

and

would have loved to participate. However, I just don't have the time.

All the above I am doing as a hobby and I told you why I started it. I

have

not stopped since I have heard from a lot of people that they like my

builds

with all the plugins in one place and the 64-bit builds.


Thanks for the answer. So your build is not a patched GIMP. The "only"
plus are the embedded plugins (not that it is not a nice addition, but
I mean there is no core change). So you have not much to lose to
participate to the OSX official build.
You definitely have some knowledge to share, as discussed in another
thread. You could help us by setting up a nice OSX build system, with
automatic builds, maybe even some nightly, etc.

But if you really wish to continue also your own build because of the
plugins (because I can imagine that we won't suddenly integrate that
many additional plugins to maintain upstream. We have already quite a
lot of work for too few people!), I see at least 2 ways for you:

1/ you may create a special plugin-only combo containing all these
additional plugins; and for the main program, you redirect your user
base to the upstream GIMP;

2/ you still make your full build of GIMP + plugins, using the same
build scripts that you helped create upstream. They will likely be a
very simplified, robust and automatic version of everyone's current
procedure.

However I see this, working with us can only spare your time, whatever
you decide.

Jehan


Hope this helps.

Please let me know if you have any questions.

Thanks,
Partha



On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 10:28 PM, Jehan Pagès <jehan marmottard gmail com

wrote:


Hi again!

On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Jehan Pagès <

jehan marmottard gmail com>

wrote:

Hi,

On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Partha Bagchi <partha1b gmail com>
wrote:

Hi Sven,

Have been away for the Thanksgiving holidays.:)

On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 4:59 AM, scl <scl gplus gmail com> wrote:


Hi,

today there was [bugreport] about outdated builds for OSX.

One reason for not being able to provide an official GIMP 2.8.8.
on OS X build were serious issues on OS X Mavericks, for instance
the [showstopper in the Text tool]. These have been solved in
the meantime (thanks especially to Simone Karin Lehmann, Michael
Natterer and Daniel Sabo).

Therefore I think we should bring out GIMP 2.8.10 soon,
including an official OS X build (preferably also for some older
OS X versions). As far as I know Claytons build is at the ready.
All we need is a 2.8.10 bump, don't we?

This situation shows us another weakness again:
there are at least four people working on an OS X release:
Clayton Walker, Simone Karin Lehmann, Partha Bagchi and
David Evans (Macports), not to mention the (still active?)

maintainer

of the outdated Fink build and the various people building GIMP
on their own Macs. All of them do it in their rare spare time.
All of them struggle alone with the special build issues of GIMP
on OS X, its dependencies and the API incompatibilities between the
various OS X versions.
Can you guys and girls please find a way to work together?
What makes it so hard to speak to another at the mailing list or IRC
and unite your forces? Come on, we don't bite ;-)


Thanks for mentioning me. :)

I am happy to collaborate with anyone on my builds. Note that I build
Gimp
and all dependencies from scratch using OSX gcc version 4.2.1; that

is,

I
build gtk+, glib, pango, cairo etc. etc. etc. and then I build Gimp.

I

also
include plugins that I believe are useful to photographers, well at
least
useful to me.


This would be very nice.
I have a few questions:
1/ Do you patch GIMP? Is it the reason why you make your own GIMP
build? If so, would you please contribute us all your patches? We
would be happy to check them and see what can be merged in our own
source. We are already working on merging some of Simone Karin
Lehmann's patches to improve our OSX code.
2/ Do you patch some of the third parties? GTK+, glib, etc. If so,
have you tried to contributing upstream to these various projects?
3/ What is exactly the list of plugins you include in your build?
3/ Is there anything else which would prevent you to work with us on
delivering a robust upstream OSX build (faster than currently after a
source release!) instead of duplicating the work? Note that we have
obviously nothing about third party builds. If you really wish to, you
can still make your own builds (maybe slightly different), even though
you would help us making the upstream one. But even so, this could
profit to all of us, for instance by sharing build systems, thus
improving the procedure.
Ideally we could automatize all builds for very easy and early

release!


The way I see it, if we find a way to automatize builds, then we could
generate them on a server with no further human input, and available
for testers, which would make releases very easy to test (and
regenerate in case of issue) before any release.


By the way! Since you also maintain a Windows build, all above
questions would also pertain to your Windows build!

Jehan


Finally, it's not really feasible for me to come to IRC and hence I
loose
out on some of those discussion.


Why is that? As I said to Simone too, I am not fond of IRC myself and
probably don't connect as much as the other contributors, but I make
some time to hang around there. If this is the price of collaboration,
it is not too high. Or is that a technical impossibility? (behind some
port-blocking firewall in a company or something?)

Thanks!

Jehan



Thanks in advance,

Sven


Thanks again,
Partha



[bugreport]:
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=715094

[showstopper in the Text tool]:
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=711281
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