Re: [Gimp-developer] Save/export, option to go back to old behaviour

> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 18:50:33 +0400
> From: alexandre prokoudine gmail com
> To: gimp-developer-list gnome org
> Subject: Re: [Gimp-developer] Save/export, option to go back to old behaviour
> This has been discussed a dozen of times. One of these days I'll
> really finish the new FAQ so that we could prevent yet another "I'm
> not here to reignite the discussion about the new save/export
> behaviour, don't worry. :-)" thread.

Yeah, this topic really does need a highly-visible FAQ entry.  Preferably something that mentions / links to the user-developed alternatives (like the plugin and fork).

> From: rlk alum mit edu
> To: alexiadeath gmail com
> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 11:33:58 -0500
> CC: gimp-developer-list gnome org
> Subject: Re: [Gimp-developer] Save/export, option to go back to old behaviour
> On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 17:20:47 +0200, Alexia Death wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 5:14 PM, Matthew Miller <mattdm mattdm org> wrote:
> >> To run with this analogy: the problem is when you *frequently* need
> >> something that is more than nano provides. In the specific case of Gimp, I
> >> don't think there's anything else that offers layers, curves, and a healing
> >> brush. I use those things all the time in quick JPEG editing. (The layers
> >> only temporarily, of course -- I'll be looking forward to adjustment layers
> >> when that work is done.)
> >>
> >> If we had a whole toolbox of photo editing tools at our disposal in Linux,
> >> I'd be less sad.
> >
> > There is quite a lot. Darktable and Digikam integrated editor both
> > offer most of this(I thin latest digikam even had some healing) and
> > are the breadknives of this workflow. Both can directly load RAW too,
> > afaik....
> Actually, that's the problem -- there *are* so many editors, and each
> one has a different interface and different limitations. I much prefer
> to just use one editor that has all the capabilities I need.

To reference the scalpel-vs-breadknife analogy that was brought up, can I just add three words?


Sure, there are many tools out there whose efficiency derives from their specialization to a dedicated task -- but sometimes the user wants something that is competent on a variety of multiple tasks, if only because it's less "stuff" for them to lug around all the time and manage.

For example, I don't know about your usecases for one of these, but when I pull out my Victorinox 90% of the time it's because I need either a flatblade screwdriver or pair of scissors (which are no doubt more efficient for the task, but would require three or four times the pocketspace to be lugging around all the time, or a separate trip to the toolbox).  As for the remaining 10% when I actually do need a knifeblade?  It's because I'm trying to open some stupid plastic-shell packaging -- you know, the type of stuff that not even a nuclear bomb can open otherwise.

So it's not a perfect tool for every job, but it is an acceptable tool for many jobs, and especially for jobs that might otherwise require constantly switching between 3-5 different, separate tools every few minutes to get done.

And while I'm on the subject, before trying GIMP (2.2) for my first time, my image editing apps basically amounted to MS Paint.  My dad had an image editor called iPhoto Plus from back in the Windows 3.x days which had TWAIN scanner access, levels adjustment and scaling/rotating/shear with linear resampling but its painting tools were barely any better than MSP.  During the Windows 95 days I found a lightweight program called LView Pro (which has since gone trial/timerware, I think) that could input and output almost every file format of the day (barring animated GIF), but its editing features were otherwise far less than iPhoto and it basically lacked any editing capability beyond global image adjustments, many of which weren't that useful for me to begin with (though one exception was a YCC-based luma inversion called "Negative!", which I found highly interesting).  So GIMP had effectively the functionality of all those three apps, and more (like support for animated GIFs).

> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 09:58:44 -0500
> From: nicolas robidoux gmail com
> To: gimp-developer-list gnome org
> Subject: Re: [Gimp-developer] Save/export, option to go back to old behaviour
> If such an "option" ever sees the light of day, I think the button should show a poison symbol (skull and crossbones).
> .....or should it be a swastika?
> :)
> -----

Oh, a Mr. Godwin called while you were out, said something about suspending your debate license?


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