On Sat, 2002-11-16 at 14:52, Richard Stallman wrote: > Bastien Nocera wrote: > > During Guadec2, you wanted ever single program reprinted to say > "GNU/Linux", > > That is not quite accurate--I didn't ask for them to be reprinted. > Instead I personally arranged to fix them. I printed correcting > labels, and then I and a few willing helpers pasted them on by hand. > Most people seemed to enjoy the rite of getting their programs > corrected, and in general people had a good time with this. You're hiding the truth. You asked for the programs to be reprinted, and when the organisers refused, you had the labels done. > The more important question is, why did the programs need correcting? > This is a sign of the general lack of communication between GNOME and > the GNU Project. In the future we should be able to get it right the > first time. Here comes the nitpicking that Daniel talked about. The word that comes to mind is "windmill". > when the FSF didn't give one penny for the organisation of > the conference. > > Nobody had asked the FSF to help in any way with Guadec2. The FSF's > financial situation is not as good as it was back then; donations went > down because of Sep 11 and the economic slowdown. We have been I don't remember anything happening on September 11 2000 that could have hampered the accounting of the FSF for the organisation of Guadec 2, in 2001. > economizing everywhere. Still, it is not out of the question that we > could help with future GNOME events, finances permitting. > > You also took the developers hostage to talk to us about > things we already knew (software freedom... man, we were *already* free > software developers), > > What I actually did was give a speech, as I had been invited to do. > The doors were open, and nobody was forced to remain in the room ;-). > People did applaud, so I guess most of them did not feel like a > captive audience. It was a short speech, so even if someone didn't > like it, he did not have to suffer for long. The stage was quite high in altitude then. I don't quite seem to remember that. Then again, it all depends on the point of view. > I spoke about software freedom because I know that within GNOME > development there are people who want to reject this goal. I wish we > could take for granted that anyone working on GNOME supports the cause > of software freedom and wants to cooperate with GNU, but this is not > the case in GNOME today. > > I also encouraged more cooperation wiht KDE in the form of common > theme support. > > and to do feature requests (tell bugzilla not us) > about a product you obviously didn't know. > > I reported on what I had seen in using GNOME and said, at a very > general level, what directions I think needed emphasis. As far as > GNOME feature issues are concerned, I am a user with years of general > experience in system design and some idea of what makes a system easy > or hard to use. Yes, and thankfully Miguel installed GNOME for you earlier that day for you to try out. <snip> > I would like to ask the other candidates to say what they will do to > help GNOME promote the cause of software freedom, and how they will > help closer relations between GNOME and the whole GNU Project. In my opinion, the only way to help the cause of software freedom is by making the software better, and encouraging ISVs and third parties to use GNOME as their platform. Sun is already going that way, I hope other "proprietary" vendors will follow. Free Software is a great thing when software can be commoditised, but in many fields where computers and software is used, the uses are so restrained and the number of users so low that we need the ISVs to promote the platform as a whole. I'd prefer seeing a proprietary software for doing my taxes that uses GNOME rather than having none at all. That's what the LGPL is for. Cheers -- /Bastien Nocera http://hadess.net Perfection is reached, not when there is no longer anything to add, but when there is no longer anything to take away. Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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