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Re: [Evolution] Non-intuitive design POP/On this computer User Interface

Thank you so much for your elaborate reply.

On Sun, 2018-11-18 at 11:52 +0000, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Sun, 2018-11-18 at 12:38 +0100, Chide wrote:

And as a follow-up to my previous question, a feature request based
on
it at the end of this post. It may save other users  quite some
time if
they end up in the same "corner" of evolution as I did... 

(Note that I'm a fan of evolution, already been happily using it
for
years, hence this is no critique, but a tip to make it even better
;-))

On Sat, 2018-11-17 at 19:21 +0100, Andre Klapper wrote:

On Sat, 2018-11-17 at 14:03 +0100, Chide wrote:

Version Evolution: 3.28.5-0ubuntu0.18.04.1 
I created a new POP account. It worked.
Then I switched it off (Edit -> Accounts -> Mail Accounts). It
disappeared from the Mail overview.


I don't see a bug. As far as I know, POP accounts do not have and
never had a separate node in the folder pane in Evolution's mail
view
(contrary to IMAP accounts).
All mail of any POP accounts ends up under "On this Computer".


I must say that this is a quite confusing, and non-intuitive user-
interface design decision within evolution.


"Intuitive", like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder.


True.


 What you mean
is "other email clients I've used don't work this way".


Well, no because I only have used evolution for the past 5 years or so
;-) So, the other email clients I've used are... evolution. Indeed I
only use it for IMAP, but accidentally created and switched on a POP
account. Then I discovered this behaviour of which I think it is quite
confusing.


 There are many
differences between Evo and other MUAs and this is one of them. Evo
was
designed as an IMAP client and that's where it takes its design cues
from. It supports POP of course, but there's no question that for
most
people POP is a protocol of last resort. If you want to organise your
POP mail into folders, use Search folders. There are several
discussions of this on the list archives. In fact it's even in the
Help, under the heading "Separating POP mail for more than one
account".


Thanks for the info.




One would expect that switching on the POP account (in the Mail
Accounts preferences) itself should show it in the mail-client. But
it
does not. I think it would be a more consistent design decision to,
for
example, warn the user that he or she should also switch on "On
this
computer" once he or she checks the box next to a POP account. Or
even
switch it on automatically. 

After all, for what reason would someone check a POP box, and not
want
to see it? 


It's on by default. In fact I didn't even know it was possible to
switch it off (not that I've ever looked). If someone does switch it
off, presumably they know what they're doing. I guess Evo could offer
to turn it back on if a POP account is created, but it seems like a
minor issue. Feel free to file a Request For Enhancement.


Indeed, that is my request. It seems like a minor issue, I would rather
say it is a 'low probability' issue - if you end up in that corner of
evolution - it causes quite some loss of productivity. I think I lost
over an hour searching, and could not access my historic emails anymore
which cause difficulties during my work. A little dialogue-box warning
as I suggest above could indeed save someone else a lot of trouble,
while it is easy to implement for evolution developers.

I will file it.

Thanks again for the quick reply, I really appreciate the support from
the community!

Note I will not post follow-ups to this email thread anymore, I've
other matters that demand my attention.





poc

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