Dear G. W., Am Samstag, den 25.10.2014, 15:52 +0100 schrieb G.W. Haywood:
On Sat, 25 Oct 2014, Paul Menzel wrote:It?d be great if you followed the netiquette! ...I've read Mr. Raymond, thank you, and it'd be great if people didn't make unjustified and incorrect assumptions. As you have seen I keep the subject line intact. I properly trim and quote. The lines I send are less than 76 characters long. Although I can be a bit caustic I don't abuse people and I try to stay on topic. My sig follows after a double hyphen and is less than four lines.
as Pete pointed out, you also need to add a space afterward. Currently Evolution does not remove it automatically.
Oh, and if anyone cares, I don't send UTF-8 or ISO-8859-1 (especially not in 'From' headers - and no, Mr. Menzel, despite your use of UTF-8 that wasn't directed at you :).
Thank you for the pointer. ;-) I did not find this rule in “How To Ask Questions The Smart Way” [1]. Do you mean that write-up? I personally prefer the written down netiquette at openSUSE [2]. But it does not mention character encoding (and breaking threading) either.
This list is like a pit full of vipers. I've seen people come here for help, and go away so bruised by the experience they completely give up on Evolution and never come back. I'd like to put you all in a bag and shake it until teeth fall out. Netiquette? The myopia here is truly staggering. Flame a first time poster because he didn't know what his version number was, nor even that he had one, but for pity's sake do *not* mess up the threading. One of the responses to my earlier comments was that if the thread is broken he would consider ignoring it. That might be rational on some other lists, but since this one is _devoted_ to problems with a mail client, it seems rather stupid. It's like my doctor refusing to treat me for laryngitis if I can't speak clearly to explain what's wrong.
I like your analogies. Anyway, I guess if you try to help on this list and get the impression that the poster did not do her/his homework and expects only free support, you’ll get upset.
One of the posters to the earlier thread was kind enough to write for me a little alpine-digest-list-threading-HOWTO. He talked about using 'V' to view the message attachment. Well, there go those assumptions again. Unluckily he neglected to test his theory, which is all that it was. Pointless noise.
Judging from the other responses, MIME formatted digests are needed for that to work. And in my opinion, it is a lot to ask to install another MUA, Alpine in that case, and configure it to test the theory.
You see, there are no attachments on the Evolution users' digest list. And you, Mr. Menzel, knowing I'm on the digest list, sent this:-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: screenshot-of-broken-threading.pngC'mon guys, wake up, this is all public and it's embarrassing.
Point taken. I actually thought about replying to all, but forgot in the end. That looks actually like the solution. If you know somebody only gets the digest messages, just reply to all or only put that person in CC. That way, the message is received earlier and it is easy to reply to that message regardless what digest options are used. (The first answer of the digest user will break the threading though, when not using MIME digest and replying to the attached message, I guess.) So I’ll try that know. Please tell me if that is incorrect.
If someone wants to put some effort into improving the list software of course I'll be happy to help in testing it, but as I've said before I'm on the digest list for good reasons. Now you've seen one of them.
Sorry, for asking. Do you mean not wanting to receive attachments? Thanks, Paul [1] http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html [2] https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Mailing_list_netiquette
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