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Re: [Evolution] Problem with the list?

On Fri, 2011-06-03 at 14:24 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Thu, 2011-06-02 at 15:02 +0930, Wayne Sierke wrote:

On Tue, 2011-05-31 at 23:17 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:


First I went to the admin page at
https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/options/evolution-list (with the idea of
checking if I'd turned off delivery and forgotten about it). Since I had
naturally forgotten my list password, I requested a new copy. Nothing
happened.


Just in case you've forgotten, your original password was included in
the "Welcome" message that was sent when you subscribed.
Wayne


That was many years ago and is long gone.

I eventually got a reply from one of the admins, to the effect that he
couldn't find me on the members list. He suggested I resubscribe. I
attempted to do so, but the subscription was rejected on the grounds
that I was already subscribed!


Your subscription request was rejected because i went ahead and added
you to the list before you tried to subscribe. Somehow my replies are
not getting delivered in time. The initial mail where i replied to you,
delivered to you after 4 days and you thought nobody (admin) cared about
your email.



I reported all this to the admin. He never replied but after a day or
two I suddenly started getting list traffic.


I did reply you but mail was bounced with below error

The message that you sent was undeliverable to the following: 

poc usb ve (450 <poc usb ve>: Recipient address rejected: 
Greylisted for 5 minutes)


 I then tried the password
reminder again and this time it worked.

My assumption is that something was wrong with the Mailman database and
it is now fixed, but that's mere supposition on my part.


P.S. This problem is another example of why sending a "courtesy copy" to
the participants of a discussion is the superior strategy.


I don't think I want to go there again :-)

poc
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The message that you sent was undeliverable to the following: 

        poc usb ve (450 <poc usb ve>: Recipient address rejected: Greylisted for 5 minutes)


Information about your message: 
        Message log tag: 31449984
        Number of send attempts: 2
        Time of initial send attempt: 06-02-11 23:03:10
        Time of last send attempt: 06-05-11 03:27:16

Possibly truncated original message follows: 
Received: from [164.99.140.91] (prv-ext-foundry1int.gns.novell.com [137.65.251.240])
        by victor.provo.novell.com with ESMTP (NOT encrypted); Thu, 02 Jun 2011 23:03:08 -0600
Subject: Re: Subscription problem
From: Akhil Laddha <lakhil novell com>
To: Patrick O'Callaghan <poc usb ve>
Cc: evolution-list-owner gnome org
Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2011 10:33:42 +0530
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Hi Patrick,

On Thu, 2011-06-02 at 08:17 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

Akhil, I attempted to re-subscribe and got "Privacy Alert" back:
=20


The previous mail where i advised you to resubscribe the list was sent
on Monday (May 30) and i don't know why was it delivered yesterday.


=20
        An attempt was made to subscribe your address to the mailing
        list
        evolution-list gnome org   You are already subscribed to this
        mailing list.
       =20
       =20
        Note that the list membership is not public, so it is possible
        that a bad
        person was trying to probe the list for its membership.  This
        would be a
        privacy violation if we let them do this, but we didn't.
       =20
       =20
        If you submitted the subscription request and forgot that you
        were already
        subscribed to the list, then you can ignore this message.  If
        you suspect that
        an attempt is being made to covertly discover whether you are

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Hi Patrick,

On Thu, 2011-06-02 at 08:17 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

Akhil, I attempted to re-subscribe and got "Privacy Alert" back:



The previous mail where i advised you to resubscribe the list was sent
on Monday (May 30) and i don't know why was it delivered yesterday.



        An attempt was made to subscribe your address to the mailing
        list
        evolution-list gnome org   You are already subscribed to this
        mailing list.
        
        
        Note that the list membership is not public, so it is possible
        that a bad
        person was trying to probe the list for its membership.  This
        would be a
        privacy violation if we let them do this, but we didn't.
        
        
        If you submitted the subscription request and forgot that you
        were already
        subscribed to the list, then you can ignore this message.  If
        you suspect that
        an attempt is being made to covertly discover whether you are
        a member of this
        list, and you are worried about your privacy, then feel free
        to send a message
        to the list administrator at evolution-list-owner gnome org 

This contradicts your earlier assertion that I'm not on the member's
list. Could you please look into this? Perhaps there's a database
problem of some sort.



You received above message because after seeing your conversation on
e-l, i went ahead and added you as list member because i wasn't sure
whether you overlooked my reply or it wasn't delivered.

Once again sorry for all the confusion. I hope you will be receiving
emails properly. Please let me know if you face any problem in future, i
will contact gnome system admin.

Thanks,
Akhil



(I also note that someone on the list -- which I read via the Archives
-- replied to my post about this and mentioned that they weren't
getting the monthly reminder even though it's enabled for their
account. This may indicate a deeper problem with the Mailman
installation.)


Regards


poc


On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 7:46 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan <poc usb ve>
wrote:
        Thanks Akhil, I'll do that. Clearly something bad happened
        since I've been a member for many years as the Archives will
        testify.
        
        
        poc
        
        
        
        On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 3:48 AM, Akhil Laddha
        <lakhil novell com> wrote:
                Hi Patrick,
                
                On Sat, 2011-05-28 at 23:38 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan
                wrote:
                > Despite being a frequent contributor to the
                Evolution list, I've been
                > very busy in the last few weeks and hence didn't
                notice that I wasn't
                > receiving list traffic.
                >
                > Thinking that perhaps I had turned off delivery and
                forgotten about it,
                > I attempted to log into the Mailman settings page,
                but couldn't remember
                > my password.
                >
                > I then tried to have the password sent to my address
                (poc usb ve) but
                > nothing ever arrived. I tried again, with the same
                result.
                >
                > I would appreciate it if you could simply verify
                that my address is
                > still listed and that delivery has not been turned
                off. If that is the
                > case, the problem must be at my end. Note that I can
                still post to the
                > list.
                >
                
                
                I couldn't find your name / email in subscribed
                members' list. You may
                have to subscribe to the list again.
                
                Sorry for the inconvenience.
                
                Regards,
                Akhil
                
                
                > Please acknowledge and copy to pocallaghan gmail com
                as a precaution.
                >
                > Thanks for your attention.
                >
                > poc
                >

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