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Re: [Evolution] Re: [Galeon-user] Regular total lockups with 1.0.1 (and earlier)

   I too, being in the Holiday spirit, will refrain from saying anything
bad about anyone's momma.  The intention of my earlier post, was not to
"blame it on Ximian" as you so blatantly put it.  But before the Debian
and SuSe zealots can say, "blame it on RedHat" I think we really need to
take a look at what is going on.  

  What do all of the affected systems have in common?  They are all
RH7.2 Systems running Ximian Desktop and Evolution.  Then lets set up
some constants.  I am running RH7.2 with Evolution _WITHOUT_ the Ximain
desktop packages and have yet to experience a single system lockup.

  I have installed the Ximian Desktop packages on several different
LINUX distributions and, I'll say it again, seen unreliable
performance.  Now you can take that however you want to take it.  My
intention was not to try to bash Ximian.  You guys do great work.  I am
just speaking from my past experiences.  Which is what I thought a mail
list is really for.  If we wanted to get a blame it on company X
response, we would call Microsoft Tech Support.  Merry Christmas or
whatever your holiday of choice may be.  And relax.....  we're all
friends here.

Chris







On Thu, 2001-12-20 at 13:53, Luis Villa wrote:

In keeping with the holiday spirit, I want not to flame. 

1) If the entire machine locks up (to the point where hardware triggered
APM suspends don't work, and the machine is unpingable from the
network), it's a very, very low level problem. Period. Email clients in
windows can lock a system up like that. Email clients in Linux pretty
much can't. Period. Unless something lower level is very, very broken,
in which case it isn't Ximian's fault.

2) 'Blame it on Ximian' doesn't account at all for the repeated problems
I've had when X wasn't running and hence no Ximian-compiled programs
were running.

3) I'm looking for confirmation ATM, but AFAIK there is exactly one
difference between our evo packages and RH's, and that's openssl v.
libnss. So saying we can't package our own software correctly and that
RH's packaging is somehow superior is completely bogus.

4) If you can show me a single documented case where Ximian packages
broke a system at that system level (_any_ package, not just evo) I'll
do something publicly humiliating. /Until/ that time, I'd urge you not
to imply that our packages do things they're basically not capable of.
Or, alternately, you can wait until we start providing our own kernel,
and then you can blame it on us. Suggestion: don't hold your breath on
that last one :)

Yours in the cheerful holiday spirit-
Luis 
 

On Thu, 2001-12-20 at 14:44, Chris Ford wrote:

I am running RH7.2 on several different machines, with several different
hardware configurations, and none of them have ever locked up.  I am
running Evolution with Havoc Pennington's packages, not Ximian's.  From
my experiences with the Ximian packages, they tend to produce unreliable
performance.  I would not blame RH7.2 for the problems.  

Chris


On Thu, 2001-12-20 at 13:17, Luis Villa wrote:

I'm inclined to blame it on RH 7.2 itself; I've seen the same random
lockups all the time since I installed RH 7.2, and that sadly includes
times I'm sitting on console in bash with no X running. Literally doing
nothing but trying to tab-complete. So... I've got no clue, but because
I've seen it happen more than a couple time while on console without X
running, I really can't blame it on gnome or any packages thereof.
Luis 

On Thu, 2001-12-20 at 14:16, Rick Ziegler wrote:

My father also experiences frequent lockups with RH 7.2, though he isn't
always using Galeon at the time.

Another RH 7.2 user blamed the same lockup on Evolution on the evolution
mailing list within the last week or two.

I'm inclined to believe there is something screwy with RH 7.2 and (all
of) your hardware configuration(s), or maybe the Ximian packages on
which Galeon and Evolution are built.  (Provided you are using Ximian
gnome).

Perhaps more detailed system information could help track this problem
down.

On Thu, 2001-12-20 at 14:00, Victor Putz wrote:


First: I absolutely love Galeon; I had been wanting a "minimal browser"
for years, and have been so pleased with Galeon that I haven't used
anything else sense insalling it.

Second: I like it so much that I am still using it even though it is the
ONLY application I have ever found which will bring my Linux system to its
knees and require a reboot.

...and that's not so good.

Quite regularly, when browsing with Galeon, my system will simply freeze
and become completely unresponsive; no mouse movement, no keyboard motion.
It will ignore attempts to switch to different TTY console windows, will
shrug aside control-alt-delete, and even disregards attempts to telnet
from my wife's computer in the next room (even with X and the console
completely frozen, I've almost always been able to telnet in from next
door and shut down properly).

The only thing which recovers the system is the hardware reset button or a
power-down.  Luckily I'm running RH7.2 with ext3fs, so a reboot isn't very
traumatic, but it disturbs me quite a bit.

Any ideas on what the problem could be?  I'm using the Galeon 1.0.1 rpm
for RHL, the mozilla 0.9.6 packages, and the prebuilt 2.4.9-13 kernel rpm.
The system is quite solid otherwise and I can leave it running for days
until I surf the web.  Galeon options have Java/Flash off, Javascript
disabled, popups off.

Poor testing here, though--I have not spent much time trying to surf with
Mozilla only to see if the problem lays there.

Any help would be, well... helpful.

-->VPutz

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