On Dec 4, 2013 12:08 PM, "Ekaterina Gerasimova" <kittykat3756 gmail com> wrote:
>
> On 4 December 2013 14:08, William Jon McCann
> <william jon mccann gmail com> wrote:
> > On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 6:12 AM, Ekaterina Gerasimova
> > <kittykat3756 gmail com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Jon, if you do end up moving any of the pages, please make sure to add
> >> redirects. A number of other wiki pages have been moved recently and
> >> because redirects were not added, this has left a lot of broken links
> >> all over the internet.
> >
> > Which links are broken all over the internet?
>
> The ones that I have come across most often, which I fixed in the
> appropriate places, were from Wikipedia articles to our application
> "websites" and from references.
>
> There are also links to our wiki from user created resources such as
> guides and blogposts, which we cannot fix, as well as semi-official
> resources such as our own mailing lists and Bugzilla.
>
> It is possible to find external links to a page using search engines.
> For example, using "link:<url>" syntax in Google.
>
> > Yes, I have added many
> > redirects for the page moves. Each one I put in is weighed. I don't think it
> > makes sense to put in a redirect for every single page that is moved for a
> > few reasons. Firstly, since the wiki is pretty good at automatically finding
> > the page when the original link is missing. So, when the page moves
> > laterally or simply down, without changing the name the page suggestions are
> > very good.
>
> The list of suggested pages that is provided by moinmoin is pretty
> good, but I have nonetheless come across moved pages where the new
> location was either not shown or was mixed in with many (30-50+) other
> suggestions. In both cases, someone who is not familiar with the new
> wiki structure would probably be quite lost.
>
> > Secondly, since it somewhat defeats the purpose of cleaning up
> > the wiki if we duplicate every page we want to move. A redirect is a page.
> > These pages show up in search and page listings - however they are not
> > identified as redirects or differentiated from regular pages in any way.
>
> We already have a robots.txt[1] which tells search engines to not
> index redirects. We would ideally have a 301 redirect on those pages,
> but this may not be possible with moinmoin.
>
> [1] https://wiki.gnome.org/robots.txt
>
> >> This looks really bad and is probably quite
> >> harmful to encouraging participation.
> >
> > Thank you for your support! I was really hoping that the weeks of effort
> > I've been putting into this will have the intended effect. I was so worried
> > for a while because everyone else seemed to be really positive about the
> > work and thought that it would encourage participation by making things
> > easier to find and generally giving off the impression that we care about
> > our stuff - a well tended garden - broken windows theory and all that... I'm
> > so glad you set us straight. Keep up the good work.
>
> I find your comments here sarcastic and rude, and therefore
> unproductive and offensive. While I want to contribute, I will not
> continue doing so if you maintain this tone.
+1
>
> >> I have fixed some of those, but
> >> this is very time consuming after the fact so it would be great if it
> >> was possible to have some sort of script to do it automatically at the
> >> point when pages are moved.
> >
> > As the person doing the work I can certainly attest to it being time
> > consuming. I appreciate your help redirecting that one link today.
> > (https://wiki.gnome.org/RecentChanges). Too bad we didn't have a script for
> > you.
>
> If you look at my wiki edits from today, you will find that they are
> completely unrelated to the above discussion in that I moved the page
> and then added the redirect because I know that an email containing
> that link went out today… but I think you're on to something good
> here, we probably should just redirect all moved pages automatically
> and then we wouldn't need a script at all.
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