Re: GNOME weekly roundup (was Re: community managers)

[Lucas Rocha <lucasr at mundo gmail com>]

Maybe it would be simpler to just do a Google+ Hangout?

--lucasr

On 15 November 2012 06:34, Sriram Ramkrishna <sri ramkrishna me> wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 9:52 PM, Karen Sandler <karen gnome org> wrote:
> > On Wed, November 14, 2012 7:58 am, alex diavatis wrote:
> > > On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 2:54 PM, alex diavatis
> > > <alexis diavatis gmail com>wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > > Why don't you try an YouTube channel. A weekly 5' show kinda like:
> >
> > I love the idea of maybe doing a weekly audio recording of this week in
> > GNOME. I could potentially do this as an interview with a different key
> > person each week, if it's not too long. Perhaps a half hour each time? I'm
> > wary of video as I think that will take a lot of work...
>
> slightly off topic:
> The youtube channel idea seemed pretty good but it was hard to manage.
> Mostly because I had a hard time figuring out how to tag posts for GNOME.
> Maybe I'm missing something there.  Design guys are always throwing up video
> on their thoughts.  A missing opportunity IMHO.
>
> > Do others think this is a good idea? Alex, would you want to help with it?
>
> It depends.  I would set it up almost like an RSS feed postcast.  That would
> make it more automatic and something people can subscribe to.
>
> sri
>
> > karen
> >
> >
> > > > This week in Gnome...[ie new features]
> > > > We cannot support this because .. [ie theming API]
> > > > In Gnome 3.. [discuss/explain some features and how to use desktop]
> > > > In Gnome 3.. [tech news]
> > > >
> > > > It will take only two hours for each person to do this, and you can
> > > > rotate
> > > > This week, Allan, next week Seif, week after next Sri and so on.
> > > >
> > > > YouTube is by far the most popular media to promote a product, plus you
> > > > will have a more "personal"
> > > > connection with people.
> > >
> > > Oops that was going to previous thread [reddit IAMA GNOME
> > > developer/designer] sooorry :)
> > > - alex
> > >
> > > > - alex
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Seif Lotfy <seif lotfy com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hello,
> > > > > First I love the idea of a community team. KDE already has such a team
> > > > > with a good mission (http://ev.kde.org/workinggroups/cwg.php).I think
> > > > > studying their history and experience would be beneficial to the
> > > > > community
> > > > > team.
> > > > >
> > > > > After discussing this Lydia from KDE, it looks more like a "Public
> > > > > Relations" team more than a "Community Management" team. Both do have
> > > > > some
> > > > > common tasks. I think a Community team should encompass a PR team.
> > > > >
> > > > > Agreed. We have a problem communicating our vision internally and
> > > > > externally.
> > > > > Internally it seems like not all of us are on the same page, e.g:
> > > > > "theming will damage our brand". Or systemd dependencies etc. Do all
> > > > > "high
> > > > > profile" GNOME contributors agree on this?
> > > > >
> > > > > Before communicating to the outside world that "XYZ" is a fact we need
> > > > > to
> > > > > at least agree on it internally. Taking the liberties with ones own
> > > > > modules
> > > > > without general consensus inside the community leads to friction and
> > > > > arguments. This is something that a community team should work on,
> > > > > make
> > > > > people inside the community get along, reduce friction.
> > > > >
> > > > > As a community team another mission would be working on communication
> > > > > between devs, on mailing lists and bugs. Damage caused by snarky,
> > > > > arrogant
> > > > > or dismissive remarks should be controlled and positive communication
> > > > > efforts have to promoted and praised.
> > > > >
> > > > > Just my 2 cents
> > > > > Cheers
> > > > > Seif
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 12:38 PM, Dave Neary <dneary gnome org> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 11/13/2012 06:53 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > As a project, we are having trouble communicating our vision because
> > > > > > > everything gets lost in a sea of vitriol due to past actions or
> > > > > > > perceived actions.  For instance, removing fallback is seen as yet
> > > > > > > again
> > > > > > > the GNOME project is removing a feature instead of an act of
> > > > > > > maintenance
> > > > > > > and sustainability.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think that as a project, we have had trouble communicating our
> > > > > > vision,
> > > > > > because as a project we are not sure what it is. There is a part of
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > project that has a very clear idea of their vision, but that vision
> > > > > > has
> > > > > > either not been clearly expressed, or what has been expressed has not
> > > > > > got
> > > > > > clear support from the community of contributors in the project. For
> > > > > > instance, the insistence that theming will damage our brand, or that
> > > > > > Cinnamon is not GNOME 3, has led to missed opportunities for the
> > > > > > GNOME
> > > > > > project, and has not got grass roots support among the GNOME
> > > > > > community
> > > > > > (and
> > > > > > I'm not talking about users here, I'm talking about contributors -
> > > > > > developers, translators, user group co-ordinators, and marketers).
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >  After all, GNOME design doesn't have any authority but is able to
> > > > > > > convince maintainers that doing their approach is best for their
> > > > > > > application.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I disagree with your analogy.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >  I'm envisioning a team of 10 volunteers.  10 volunteers who start
> > > > > > out
> > > > > > as
> > > > > > > community managers and then hopefully will be interested in doing
> > > > > > > other
> > > > > > > things within the project.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I currently have four as of right now.  Need to recruit six more!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sounds like a plan, and we certainly need to do something to stop the
> > > > > > rot.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > Dave.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
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> > > > > > Email: dneary gnome org
> > > > > > Jabber: nearyd gmail com
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