Re: Gnumeric still available?
- From: Bryen M Yunashko <a11yrocks bryen com>
- To: marketing-list gnome org
- Subject: Re: Gnumeric still available?
- Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 22:48:22 -0600
The only time I've ever seen such endeavors succeed is when there's some
sort of editorial schedule in place. Mapping out what you want to see
published over a certain period of time (say 2-3 months) makes it a lot
easier to poke people to step up and write something.
The existence of an editorial schedule doesn't guarantee success. But
the lack of a schedule seems (from my experience) to guarantee failure.
Bryen
On Mon, 2012-02-13 at 15:03 -0500, Emily Gonyer wrote:
Obviously its going to take work to keep updated, however, pretty much
anything we do to add content and give people a reason to come to the
gnome.org site is going to take work. If we want to have a site that
people find useful & interesting, and give them a reason to keep
coming back, we're going to have to keep working on it and writing new
content. Nothing we do is going to both give new content & be work
free. Its just not going to happen. We can make it stream-lined and
easier to keep up-to-date, but its still going to mean
writing/creating new content. If we want to do something similar to
what I suggested, we definitely need to get a back log of sorts
started first with a half dozen or so articles written and in the
pipeline ready to publish, so that if/when something happens and
something doesn't get written right away we have backups to go to
first before it becomes obvious that updates are no longer happening -
give us a month or two to get new stuff written, while still
publishing.
I don't know, I guess I just feel like this push for new content is
coming up against a wall of not wanting to have to actually *create*
said new content, which means that in the end we stick with pretty
much what we have, while still lacking new content! Either we have to
accept having a gnome.org site which lacks content, and therefor
doesn't really do much in promotion of GNOME, or we have to simply
decide that we're willing to put the work in to make a great site with
at least some new content constantly being created in order to promote
GNOME. Right now, the consensus seems to be that we stick with what we
have, even if that means not doing much for the promotion of GNOME in
the long run.
Emily
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Christy Eller
<iamchristyeller gmail com> wrote:
Hi-
I think what Karen says is unfortunately the case, although I
like Emily's idea. We don't have the contributor continuity
that it would require to pull off a page that needs that much
updating. My suggestion would just be to add more apps (with
links to their own pages) to the page that already exists,
highlight apps in the news section occasionally, and possibly
link from their entry on the page to the article about them in
the news.
As far as the comment about Downloading GNOME, I totally
agree. When I go to a web page for a download, I look for the
word "Download". When I first came to the GNOME page, it took
me too long to figure out where to go to download GNOME. Of
course, that could be my problem :) But, I have heard this
comment from 2 other people on the marketing channel since
then.
Currently, you have to go from "Discover GNOME 3" to "Find out
how to get GNOME 3". Perhaps there is a good reason for this.
It would be very easy to change this if we all agree. I could
put the word "Download" on the first page, or the second page-
and I could also put "Download" in the top navigation, or
whatever else is decided.
Thanks for bringing it up-
Christy
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 7:16 AM, Karen Sandler
<karen gnome org> wrote:
On Mon, February 13, 2012 8:44 am, Emily Gonyer wrote:
> What if we kept the list (and added to it) and then
rotated through it on
> a
> monthly (or even weekly) basis, highlighting one
application at a time,
> with a top bar that says "Coming Next week/month
_____" with the name of
> whichever application will be featured next, perhaps
the same thing below
> only 'Last week's featured application ____' and
have each one archived,
> so
> that when you click on the name of the program you
get whatever was
> written
> up on it when it was last featured. This would give
us a reason to write
> short articles on each, and a way to ensure that
they all stay up-to-date
> -
> as they rotate through the 'featured' section, we'd
go back to each set of
> developers and ask 'whats changed/new/etc'. It would
also allow for some
> of
> the lesser-known applications to be highlighted in
turn, and thus allow
> them an exposure that they haven't had.
>
> Actually, as I think about this more, I think weekly
(or perhaps
> bi-weekly)
> would be better than monthly, so that we could get
through them all each
> year and thus they could be kept significantly more
up-to-date. It would
> also give people a reason to come back and checkout
the website more
> often.
>
I love this idea, but I worry about its implementation
and also keeping it
up to date. I don't really know anything about how
easy it is to create a
page like this, but I know how tough it is to make
sure you've got good
current content for websites when you don't have a
staff of writers. We
could write a lot of these out in advance, so that we
have a lot of
"safety" entries for times no one feels like writing.
It looks really bad
when you've got a feature that relies on new content
when there is no new
content to be published!
karen
> Emily
>
> On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 5:09 AM, Dave Neary
<dneary gnome org> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> (list only, CCing marketing-list, setting follow-up
there)
>>
>> On 02/13/2012 10:48 AM, Andre Klapper wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 2012-02-12 at 16:22 -0800, Steve Talley
wrote:
>>>
>>>> I just went to your website, and it wasn't clear
to me how to
>>>> download Gnome, which I did some months ago, and
which provided
>>>> Gnumeric and many other free applications.
>>>>
>>>
>>> If you go to http://www.gnome.org/gnome-3/ there
is a "Find out how to
>>> get GNOME 3" link at the bottom leading to
>>> http://www.gnome.org/getting-gnome/ which includes
a "Distributions"
>>> section.
>>>
>>> If you would "just" like to download Gnumeric I
would recommend
>>> http://projects.gnome.org/gnumeric/ as a start.
>>>
>>
>> This raises an interesting point about the GNOME
web page - we don't
>> currently provide an easy way to find/find out
about GNOME applications
>> (hosted on gnome.org) which aren't part of the
GNOME desktop, outside of
>> the few applications we promote on
gnome.org/applications
>>
>> http://projects.gnome.org/ gives an index, looking
through the list,
>> some
>> interesting apps we could promote are Abiword,
Balsa, Banshee, Déjà Dup,
>> Dia, F-Spot, GIMP, Gnumeric, GNU Cash, Hamster
(although I think this is
>> included in GNOME now?), Inkscape, Nanny, PDF Mod,
Planner, Rhythmbox,
>> Tasque, X-Chat...
>>
>> Some of these are not hosted on gnome.org -
Banshee, GIMP, GNU Cash,
>> Inkscape, X-Chat all have their own websites, and
for good reason. Some
>> of
>> them are on Launchpad (Déjà Dup, for example). And
several excellent
>> GNOME
>> applications (like Shotwell, SimpleScan, Sound
Juicer, for example)
>> don't
>> get a mention on the progects.g.o page at all.
>>
>> It'd be nice if we could help these projects with
their SEO and get them
>> more visibility as the "headline" GNOME
applications - those we know
>> make
>> users happy and have great integration and a decent
degree of
>> functionality
>> and maturity. On that score, I would exclude Dia
and GNUCash because
>> they
>> haven't kept up with the platform, but the others
are all excellent
>> GNOME
>> apps.
>>
>> Perhaps gnome.org/applcations is the place for us
to promote these
>> applications? How can we do so in a sustainable and
SEO-friendly way? We
>> already promote some GNOME applications there -
including apps like
>> Cheese
>> which are included in the desktop but which benefit
from people knowing
>> what they are.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Dave.
>>
>> --
>> Dave Neary
>> GNOME Foundation member
>> dneary gnome org
>> Jabber: nearyd gmail com
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