Re: Gnumeric still available?

[Emily Gonyer <emilyyrose gmail com>]

Obviously its going to take work to keep updated, however, pretty much anything we do to add content and give people a reason to come to the gnome.org site is going to take work. If we want to have a site that people find useful & interesting, and give them a reason to keep coming back, we're going to have to keep working on it and writing new content. Nothing we do is going to both give new content & be work free. Its just not going to happen. We can make it stream-lined and easier to keep up-to-date, but its still going to mean writing/creating new content. If we want to do something similar to what I suggested, we definitely need to get a back log of sorts started first with a half dozen or so articles written and in the pipeline ready to publish, so that if/when something happens and something doesn't get written right away we have backups to go to first before it becomes obvious that updates are no longer happening - give us a month or two to get new stuff written, while still publishing. 

I don't know, I guess I just feel like this push for new content is coming up against a wall of not wanting to have to actually *create* said new content, which means that in the end we stick with pretty much what we have, while still lacking new content! Either we have to accept having a gnome.org site which lacks content, and therefor doesn't really do much in promotion of GNOME, or we have to simply decide that we're willing to put the work in to make a great site with at least some new content constantly being created in order to promote GNOME. Right now, the consensus seems to be that we stick with what we have, even if that means not doing much for the promotion of GNOME in the long run.

Emily

On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Christy Eller <iamchristyeller gmail com> wrote:

Hi-

I think what Karen says is unfortunately the case, although I like Emily's idea. We don't have the contributor continuity that it would require to pull off a page that needs that much updating. My suggestion would just be to add more apps (with links to their own pages) to the page that already exists, highlight apps in the news section occasionally, and possibly link from their entry on the page to the article about them in the news.

As far as the comment about Downloading GNOME, I totally agree. When I go to a web page for a download, I look for the word "Download". When I first came to the GNOME page, it took me too long to figure out where to go to download GNOME. Of course, that could be my problem :) But, I have heard this comment from 2 other people on the marketing channel since then.

Currently, you have to go from "Discover GNOME 3" to "Find out how to get GNOME 3". Perhaps there is a good reason for this. It would be very easy to change this if we all agree. I could put the word "Download" on the first page, or the second page- and I could also put "Download" in the top navigation, or whatever else is decided.

Thanks for bringing it up-
Christy

On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 7:16 AM, Karen Sandler <karen gnome org> wrote:

On Mon, February 13, 2012 8:44 am, Emily Gonyer wrote:
> What if we kept the list (and added to it) and then rotated through it on
> a
> monthly (or even weekly) basis, highlighting one application at a time,
> with a top bar that says "Coming Next week/month _____" with the name of
> whichever application will be featured next, perhaps the same thing below
> only 'Last week's featured application ____' and have each one archived,
> so
> that when you click on the name of the program you get whatever was
> written
> up on it when it was last featured. This would give us a reason to write
> short articles on each, and a way to ensure that they all stay up-to-date
> -
> as they rotate through the 'featured' section, we'd go back to each set of
> developers and ask 'whats changed/new/etc'. It would also allow for some
> of
> the lesser-known applications to be highlighted in turn, and thus allow
> them an exposure that they haven't had.
>
> Actually, as I think about this more, I think weekly (or perhaps
> bi-weekly)
> would be better than monthly, so that we could get through them all each
> year and thus they could be kept significantly more up-to-date. It would
> also give people a reason to come back and checkout the website more
> often.
>

I love this idea, but I worry about its implementation and also keeping it
up to date. I don't really know anything about how easy it is to create a
page like this, but I know how tough it is to make sure you've got good
current content for websites when you don't have a staff of writers. We
could write a lot of these out in advance, so that we have a lot of
"safety" entries for times no one feels like writing. It looks really bad
when you've got a feature that relies on new content when there is no new
content to be published!

karen

> Emily
>
> On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 5:09 AM, Dave Neary <dneary gnome org> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> (list only, CCing marketing-list, setting follow-up there)
>>
>> On 02/13/2012 10:48 AM, Andre Klapper wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 2012-02-12 at 16:22 -0800, Steve Talley wrote:
>>>
>>>>  I just went to your website, and it wasn't clear to me how to
>>>> download Gnome, which I did some months ago, and which provided
>>>> Gnumeric and many other free applications.
>>>>
>>>
>>> If you go to http://www.gnome.org/gnome-3/ there is a "Find out how to
>>> get GNOME 3" link at the bottom leading to
>>> http://www.gnome.org/getting-gnome/ which includes a "Distributions"
>>> section.
>>>
>>> If you would "just" like to download Gnumeric I would recommend
>>> http://projects.gnome.org/gnumeric/ as a start.
>>>
>>
>> This raises an interesting point about the GNOME web page - we don't
>> currently provide an easy way to find/find out about GNOME applications
>> (hosted on gnome.org) which aren't part of the GNOME desktop, outside of
>> the few applications we promote on gnome.org/applications
>>
>> http://projects.gnome.org/ gives an index, looking through the list,
>> some

>> interesting apps we could promote are Abiword, Balsa, Banshee, Déjà Dup,

>> Dia, F-Spot, GIMP, Gnumeric, GNU Cash, Hamster (although I think this is
>> included in GNOME now?), Inkscape, Nanny, PDF Mod, Planner, Rhythmbox,
>> Tasque, X-Chat...
>>
>> Some of these are not hosted on gnome.org - Banshee, GIMP, GNU Cash,
>> Inkscape, X-Chat all have their own websites, and for good reason. Some
>> of

>> them are on Launchpad (Déjà Dup, for example). And several excellent

>> GNOME
>> applications (like Shotwell, SimpleScan, Sound Juicer, for example)
>> don't
>> get a mention on the progects.g.o page at all.
>>
>> It'd be nice if we could help these projects with their SEO and get them
>> more visibility as the "headline" GNOME applications - those we know
>> make
>> users happy and have great integration and a decent degree of
>> functionality
>> and maturity. On that score, I would exclude Dia and GNUCash because
>> they
>> haven't kept up with the platform, but the others are all excellent
>> GNOME
>> apps.
>>
>> Perhaps gnome.org/applcations is the place for us to promote these
>> applications? How can we do so in a sustainable and SEO-friendly way? We
>> already promote some GNOME applications there - including apps like
>> Cheese
>> which are included in the desktop but which benefit from people knowing
>> what they are.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Dave.
>>
>> --
>> Dave Neary
>> GNOME Foundation member
>> dneary gnome org
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