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Re: Brand Guidelines Update

On Thu, 2011-04-28 at 08:59 -0500, Brian Cameron wrote:

Allan:

On 04/28/11 08:32 AM, Allan Day wrote:

Brian Cameron wrote:

Allan:
We typically have our lawyers review official documents that relate to
legal issues such as trademark before we make changes to them.  Is this
because the Wiki version of our Guidelines is not yet official?  Most
official GNOME legal documents should probably be in
http://foundation.gnome.org/licensing.  The Wiki makes more sense for
draft documents.  I am not trying to pick on you Allan since I know
The GNOME Foundation has not been so good about keeping our fgo website
up-to-date. (e.g. bugzilla bugs #629334, #644932 for two examples of
issues with just the licensing page).


I wasn't aware that the brand guidelines are official or legal
documents.


They are referenced, for example, in the GNOME Foundation "Users Group"
trademark license that the GNOME Foundation lawyers wrote up for us
last year:

   http://live.gnome.org/Trademark#Trademark_Agreement_for_User_Groups

Refer to section 1.a.iii, which requires GNOME Users Groups to follow
these Brand Guidelines.  Since we provide such direction in a document
that GNOME Users Groups sign, I would consider it legal.


To date, the brand guidelines have largely been concerned with the trade
mark. Now we're expanding their scope, it might be worth moving the
trade mark material elsewhere, or at least clarifying the difference
between our trade marks and our brand guidelines.


They are guidelines. Maybe the foundation should bless them
with officialdom... I'm not sure what that would achieve though.


I think The GNOME Foundation has treated them as official even though
they are on the Wiki.  However, if we are going to keep an official
document like this on the Wiki, we perhaps need better access control
and/or review process.  It does not make sense for Guidelines referenced
in legal documents to change without a clear review process.


I agree.


At any rate, can you also ask the legal-list gnome org mailing list to
encourage our legal experts to also review these changes?


I'll certainly check with our legal advisors. That said, I don't think
I've made any changes that will have gone against our trademarks. I
haven't touched the sections on the logo, for instance.


I am not a lawyer, and I will happily defer to whatever language our
lawyers think makes sense.


Sure.


My personal thoughts are that I think it is good for the Brand
Guidelines to highlight GNOME 3, to discuss any particular guidelines
that relate to using the GNOME brand with GNOME 3, differences in how
the brand should be used with GNOME 3 versus earlier versions of GNOME,
etc.



However, I think statements like "The principle product that is
produced by the GNOME Project is GNOME 3" and "GNOME is a word in and
of itself. It primarily refers to the GNOME Project, designating the
organization which produces GNOME 3, GNOME Applications and GNOME
Developer Technologies." may need some rewording (e.g. "principle"
or "primarily" only associated with version 3 of GNOME).


I could add 'GNOME 2' as a term, but wouldn't that be rather backwards
looking?


Listing out all possible past and future versions seems awkward.  Why
can't this document highlight that GNOME 3 is an exciting GNOME branded
product without using limiting language?  I would think that there
should be a number of "GNOME 3" specific brand guidelines that could
help highlight this.


I'm not sure how much sense it makes to build a brand around
what we've done in the past. It's what we're doing and where we're going
that count.


We should hear what the lawyers have to say, I think.  I think most
organizations try to make effective use of their brands regardless of
what the organization is currently focusing on.  For example, I would
bet Timex would get upset if you tried to sell a computer called a
"Sinclair" even though I would imagine Timex is probably focusing on
other things besides home computers now.


Why do we want to use language that may even give the appearance of
limiting how the GNOME community can reasonably use its own brand?


The consistent use of terminology and visual imagery is a vital part of
building a brand. The guidelines are intended to encourage people to
promote the GNOME brand in the same way as the HIG is supposed to help
people design usable interfaces.


I do not disagree that the Brand Guidelines page should discuss and
promote GNOME 3.  But I think these guidelines need to be clear and
useful for all reasonable and fair usages of the brand.  Saying things
that might suggest to people that the GNOME brand only applies to GNOME
3 seems, at the very least, to be confusing.

But, I think that's why we normally ask the lawyers to review this sort
of stuff.


I get the feeling we're not talking about the same thing here. To me,
the GNOME brand isn't synonymous with the GNOME trademarks: it is
something that we have to work to generate in peoples' minds. Branding
isn't about just applying the word 'GNOME' to things. A brand is the
recognition enjoyed by our organisation and our products, and it is the
semantic associations people have with those things. The GNOME
trademarks are simply pieces of intellectual property that we own and
that we used as a tool in generating the GNOME brand (albeit a very
important tool).

The branding guidelines are intended as a way to help people promote and
generate the GNOME brand by encouraging consistent language and graphics
which will in turn generate brand awareness.

Not mentioning GNOME 2 in the brand guidelines does not mean that the
name 'GNOME' or the GNOME logo cannot or should not be used in relation
to GNOME 2, therefore. It merely means that people should talk about
GNOME 3 as GNOME's primary product, and not 'the GNOME desktop' or the
'GNU Network Object Model Environment'.

If there is confusion about the difference between our trademarks and
our brand, that difference should (and can) be made clear. Likewise, the
legal definition of our trademarks should be clearly delineated.

Allan
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