Pragmatism: it is sensible to say that Evolution needs to be featured somewhere in wgo. And we are going to have a list of featured products. Let's move forward. El dt 08 de 08 del 2006 a les 13:59 +0200, en/na Claus Schwarm va escriure:
When I say "product page" I mean
Now that the product pages are in the wgo map, it's time to define their components. Anyone to start with a draft?
No, because they don't mind about some set of feature that makes Evolution different to other mail clients. They don't want to know how Nautilus handles file management
True. They want to choose "something serious". Being serious is not about showing or not certain pages. It is not about having a cool or uncool website. It is a mixture of many different elements, including a website and certain pages. I agree the product pages play a small role in wgo, yet it is a role.
If you care to look in the former navigation proposal
Don't get me wrong. I think most points of the former proposal are valid and should be kept in the current wgo revamp. See http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/NewWgoStructure , I'm asking for selecting and merging. Why don't you work together with Joachim to get an updated version?
successes. There was a page planned what others say, listing quotes from journalists. We could have included a list of Awards -- unfortunately
Who says we shouldn't have these pages? Who says they are less/more relevant than the product pages? Each pages have their mission, all collaborate to explain the wgo visitors how cool is GNOME.
we better show a page about our largest deployments and case studies, instead.
Why "better" and "instead"? Case studies are also a 2.16 goal: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/CaseStudies , still unassigned despite their relevance.
In other words: The best selling argument for a desktop is that everybody else uses it!
Agreed, and this is what case studies are for. At some point you need to explain (for those not knowing) what is the desktop and what are the products everybody else is using. This is what the product pages are for.
This is the impression we need to create: that we're cool and that we matter!
Agreed. I will insist about this unassigned goal: Make wgo explain clearly what is GNOME, why you want to have it and be part of it
Some product pages with rather detailed descriptions don't help here. They are just wasting everybody's time.
We are wasting time, agreed. In the time invested in this discussion we could have completed the (unassigned) goal "First bunch of applications featured." wgo will have product pages. Please let's move forward and let's define which common fields will have the product pages and which GNOME products are we going to feature first.
without a draft, this is hard to discuss any further.
Agreed. If we need drafts for anything, please produce or request them. Investing instead our time starting and keeping discussions in the fog is proving to burn our time, although not totally wasting it (after all the results after the discussions are far better than what we had before discussing) The problem is we have a tight deadline. This pushes many dependent tasks to be approached simultaneously, creating a logical confusion. If you are confused, ask for a draft. Or contribute it yourself. --------------------------------------------------- COMMENTS ABOUT GOOGLE RESULTS I wanted to keep the Google thing out of the discussion.
However, it will be nearly impossible to get Evolution homepage into the top list for a search term like 'Email client'
You have a point here, although performing that search shows 3 different official pages of Thunderbird in the first 10 results... Evolution comes 3 pages later thanks to http://www.novell.com/products/evolution/ The Evolution website at gnome is apparently nowhere. (btw they could improve their positioning just by having a proper TITLE, life in the home and a not-so-secondary URL) You say having an Evolution product page in wgo will split effort. I think it will help improving clicks, links, circulation and therefore rank in Google results. It is hard to know today who is right, so why don't we move forward. I've just searched for "gnome email client". The first result I get is... http://balsa.gnome.org/ . "An e-mail client for GNOME" in the TITLE, alive homepage, short URL with GNOME subdomain... Compare to http://www.gnome.org/projects/evolution/ and you might find more reasons why Google keeps dumping our beloved Evolution site, reasons that apparently have nothing to do with the fact of wgo having product pages or not. The first mention to Evolution comes 3 pages later: http://swik.net/Evolution/About/GNOME+mail+client+and+PIM./m1 . Also http://www.gnomefiles.org/subcategory.php?sub_cat_id=43 wins the Evolution site in the race. Tinymail appears some pages later. No clue about Evolution looking in Google for a "gnome email client" either. So please, let's focus on the consistency of wgo before trying to solve problems of the product sites and make them hit Google's first page. -- Quim Gil /// http://desdeamericaconamor.org | http://guadec.org
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