Re: [Ekiga-list] Issues

[Derek Smithies <derek indranet co nz>]

Hi,

> We've had this discussion before

We have.
too many times.

For the uninitiated, pulse stands for
"painfully useless linux sound engineers"

The biggest single issue in linux is sound. yet, we have had apps
doing sound for over a decade in linux.
What happened to that fast moving, quickly evolving code base the web 
pages talked about.
What happened to that "loosely knit group of developers working together"

Nothing.

The web pages I quote from, describing the wonders of linux, were wrong.

With all the development effort that went into audio, and continues to go 
into audio, why is sound still a mess - after a decade (or more) of 
development?

===================

Alsa- the only thing advanced about alsa is in the name.

The documentation in this project is atrocious.
The usability is bad.

Sigh, end of ranting.

Derek.

On Tue, 5 Jan 2010, Bruce Ferrell wrote:

> Derek,
>
> pulse isn't right anywhere and the only the the pulse devs says is it's
> the applications fault.... Which I would say OK to except it's ALL the
> applications.  That answer points to lousy devs who refuse to accept
> that they've made an error
>
> Bruce
>
> P.S.
>
> We've had this discussion before
>
>
>
> Derek Smithies wrote:
> > Hi,
> >  One of the answers on this topic said that you had to use pasuspender,
> >  and make some changes to alsa configuration files. the changes required
> >  are non trivial.
> >    Some people claim the changes are easy - just paste in these couple of
> >     lines they say. Those people were lucky. Other people have invested
> >     tens of hours trying to decode & understand the meaning of the
> >     components in the alsa configuration files.
> >    After too many hours of bitter experience, I suggest that you
> >  **Forget pasuspender
> >  **Refuse to make any changes to your configuration files.
> >
> > The most recent version of ubuntu (9.10) has made a "reasonable" job of
> > pulseaudio. I suspect that the other major distros (fedorra, suse) have
> > also got pulse right.
> >
> > The main problem in pulse is the
> >  *number of misbehaving alsa based applications out there,
> >      which do things wrong.
> >  *alsa audio drivers not being 100% compliant with alsa spec.
> >
> > I suggest that you upgrade to the latest distro and get the most recent
> > versions of the different drivers.
> >
> > I suggest you shut down every application that makes audio on your
> > desktop. One of them may be killing the sound device.
> >
> > If you do a wireshark dump of the entire call, remember to set the
> > packet size to 2000, and look for the udp packets (which carry the voice).
> > There will be two streams of udp packets. One stream from you to him.
> > One stream from him to you.
> > you said voice stops after 15 (or so) seconds. Do the udp packets stop
> > being sent from your end? if they do, you know that the problem is at
> > your end.
> >
> > Silence detection may have gone wrong. Turn off silence detection. Does
> > this help?
> >
> > Eliminate the possibility of it being a firewall issue.
> > Get a second computer on your lan.
> > Can you do a ekiga call to that computer, and does the voice last longer
> > than 15 seconds? Get the other person to do the same.
> >
> >
> > Derek.
> > =======================================
> >
> >  On Tue, 5 Jan 2010, David Bowman wrote:
> >
> > > Okay, so first I'd like to say thank you for everything.  I'm a little
> > > further out of the water but I was wondering what this means:
> > >
> > > [jetblackbivouac localhost ~]$ pasuspender ekiga
> > > ALSA lib conf.c:976:(parse_value) default is not a string
> > > ALSA lib conf.c:1589:(snd_config_load1) _toplevel_:12:9:Unexpected char
> > > ALSA lib conf.c:2850:(snd_config_hook_load) /etc/alsa/alsactl.conf may
> > > be old or corrupted: consider to remove or fix it
> > > ALSA lib conf.c:2714:(snd_config_hooks_call) function
> > > snd_config_hook_load returned error: Invalid argument
> > > ALSA lib control.c:909:(snd_ctl_open_noupdate) Invalid CTL hw:0
> > > ALSA lib control.c:909:(snd_ctl_open_noupdate) Invalid CTL hw:1
> > > ALSA lib control.c:909:(snd_ctl_open_noupdate) Invalid CTL hw:0
> > > ALSA lib control.c:909:(snd_ctl_open_noupdate) Invalid CTL hw:1
> > >
> > > Both me and my partner could not be more grateful for all your help.
> > > Thanks for your time,
> > > David
> >
> >
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