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Today's Topics:
1. Re: This software is a rip-off; request a full refund
(Thomas Harding)
2. A rip-off is a rip-off !!!!!! (Fred Teeboom)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 19:48:13 +0200
From: Thomas Harding<tom thomas-harding name>
To: discussions about usage and development of dia
<dia-list gnome org>
Cc: fredtee comcast net
Subject: Re: This software is a rip-off; request a full refund
Message-ID:<20120411194813 7c05cff3 black2 thomas-harding name>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Le Tue, 10 Apr 2012 14:26:02 -0400,
"Fred Teeboom"<fredtee comcast net> wrote:
This could be a good stuff for this month's 1sth...
Hello:
I ordered your latest version diaw.exe 0.97, but find your text
next to impossible to use. No editing WYSIWYG features
* Unfortunaly, nothing relies Free software authors to a reseller,
except case you buy it to an author (eg: to implement a feature
or develop from scratch)!
* It is also permitted to charge without reason, but most likely for
hard-copying and shipping, and, if so, warranty which is explicitely
disclaimed in any Free Software licence (so, the re-seller will offer
separately the warranty as a service). Note you should take a look
at commercial software licences on warranty, this is a fun.
* A software, incidentally, is a *tool* which is made for an *usage*
and a *public*. Dia is a diagram software, and if you need to create
diagrams this is definitely the tool you need. You can also purchase
MS Visio if you want to marmosets that rotate[1], or ask to GrandMa
what is a diagram.
I suggest you turn you back to the reseller, who is the only person
who can offer you a commercial arrangement. Note if he didn't gives you
a way to get the sources you can either sue him. The resseler figures
below on this your mail I left, which is fully accessible to anyone
can read.
Note also you'd better to search before on the ternet before purchasing
what you can obtain *legally* for nothing except a few gigs download.
The other solution is to modify software by yourself then, if you want
to redistribute modified, give the same licence and the software sources
(or an access to them) together.
It also does not copy to MSWord.
I suggest you a hammer, the best tool to fix anything on a screen.
Most likely, you should read the f...in manual and wonder about what
are png, jpeg, svg, and espacially for the $#*%=+@ Microsoft stuff what
called wmf "Windows Meta File" and emf "Enhanced Meta File".
Unless you have a better way to use text, I want a full refund.
Incidentally, this is free software; why did you charge me?
This software is a rip-off.
No comments.
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Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 6:53 PM
To: fredtee comcast net
Subject: Confirmation of your Order of Diagram Technical Drawing MS
Vision Type Software for Windows 7 PC...
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Order details
You completed checkout on Mar-31-12
Ship to:
Payment Details:
Total:
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PayPal
$13.94
24 Cheyenne Dr
Nashua, NH 03063-3506 US
Seller: osprojectsoftware_us
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ae75bbfec9090&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2FeBayISAPI.dll%3FViewItem%
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( 190608993313
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ae75bbfec9090&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2FeBayISAPI.dll%3FViewItem%
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Paid on Mar-31-12
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Subtotal
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Shipping and Handling
$3.99
Total
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Fred Teeboom
This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify
it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the License, or
(at your option) any later version.
This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the
GNU General Public License for more details.
You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software
Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307,
USA.
[1] I didn't find anything for (French) "des zigouigouis qui tournent".
------------------------------
Message: 2
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 14:54:29 -0400
From: "Fred Teeboom"<fredtee comcast net>
To: "'Thomas Harding'"<tom thomas-harding name>, "'discussions about
usage and development of dia'"<dia-list gnome org>
Subject: A rip-off is a rip-off !!!!!!
Message-ID:<00d401cd1814$86e7c080$94b74180$ net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
A rip-off is a rip-poff !!!!!
"This could be a good stuff for this month's 1sth..."
You need to clean up your English typing, before you widely publish it in a
USER's FORUM.
The gist of what I read is, that to obtain what I need I should read the
source code and develop my own version?
Huh???? I have a Masters Degree in Electrical Engineering, with a minor in
Computer Science, but I would not even begin to waste a minute to unravel
the spaghetti code typical of Open Source Freeware.
What you should feature in your FORUM is: "If a vendor charges $14.00 for
Freeware, not his own, on EBay, should he declare under the Product
Description that this software is available free of charge, including the
User Manual, for a couple of minutes of download time? No need to wait a
week for a CDROM to arrive from England. And that the free download is a
later version than the $14.00 version sent on a CDROM via USPS sneaker
mail?
Then there is the deception that Dia is a "simper" version of VISIO? I
downloaded a 60-day free trial of 2010 VISIO and I can tell you without
reservation, Dia it is not even close!
A rip-off is a rip-off !!!!!!
Fred teeboom
Nashua, NH
-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Harding [mailto:tom thomas-harding name]
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 1:48 PM
To: discussions about usage and development of dia
Cc: fredtee comcast net
Subject: Re: This software is a rip-off; request a full refund
Le Tue, 10 Apr 2012 14:26:02 -0400,
"Fred Teeboom"< <mailto:fredtee comcast net> fredtee comcast net> wrote:
This could be a good stuff for this month's 1sth...
Hello:
I ordered your latest version diaw.exe 0.97, but find your text
next to impossible to use. No editing WYSIWYG features
* Unfortunately, nothing relies Free software authors to a reseller,
except case you buy it to an author (e.g.: to implement a feature
or develop from scratch)!
* It is also permitted to charge without reason, but most likely for
hard-copying and shipping, and, if so, warranty which is explicitely
disclaimed in any Free Software licence (so, the re-seller will offer
separately the warranty as a service). Note you should take a look
at commercial software licences on warranty, this is a fun.
* A software, incidentally, is a *tool* which is made for an *usage*
and a *public*. Dia is a diagram software, and if you need to create
diagrams this is definitely the tool you need. You can also purchase
MS Visio if you want to marmosets that rotate[1], or ask to GrandMa
what is a diagram.
I suggest you turn you back to the reseller, who is the only person who can
offer you a commercial arrangement. Note if he didn't gives you a way to get
the sources you can either sue him. The resseler figures below on this your
mail I left, which is fully accessible to anyone can read.
Note also you'd better to search before on the ternet before purchasing what
you can obtain *legally* for nothing except a few gigs download.
The other solution is to modify software by yourself then, if you want to
redistribute modified, give the same licence and the software sources (or an
access to them) together.
It also does not copy to MSWord.
I suggest you a hammer, the best tool to fix anything on a screen.
Most likely, you should read the f...in manual and wonder about what are
png, jpeg, svg, and espacially for the $#*%=+@ Microsoft stuff what called
wmf "Windows Meta File" and emf "Enhanced Meta File".
Unless you have a better way to use text, I want a full refund.
Incidentally, this is free software; why did you charge me?
This software is a rip-off.
No comments.
From: eBay [<mailto:ebay ebay com> mailto:ebay ebay com]
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 6:53 PM
To:<mailto:fredtee comcast net> fredtee comcast net
Subject: Confirmation of your Order of Diagram Technical Drawing MS
Vision Type Software for Windows 7 PC...
Thanks for your purchase, teeboom6996!
<http://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/e11400.m1831.l3127/7?euid=6ed9a068ccc74
577a39
ae75bbfec9090&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%3FssPageName%3DADME%3AL%3A
OC%3AU
S%3A3127> eBay
<http://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/e11400.m1831.l3170/7?euid=6ed9a068ccc74
577a39
ae75bbfec9090&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fpages.ebay.com%2Febaybuyerprotection%2Findex.
html%3FssPageName%3DADME%3AL%3AOC%3AUS%3A3170> Learn more about eBay
Buyer Protection
Here's your order confirmation
Hi teeboom6996,
Here is a summary of your recent order. You can also view your updated
order details
<http://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/e11400.m1838.l1503/7?euid=6ed9a068ccc74
577a39
ae75bbfec9090&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fpayments.ebay.com%2Fws%2FeBayISAPI.dll%
3FView
PaymentStatus%26cartid%3D310433732017%26ssPageName%3DADME%3AL%3ACOC%3A
US%3A1
503> in My eBay.
Thank you for shopping on eBay!
<http://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/e11400.m44.l1503/7?euid=6ed9a068ccc7457
7a39ae
75bbfec9090&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fpayments.ebay.com%2Fws%2FeBayISAPI.dll%3F
ViewPa
ymentStatus%26cartid%3D310433732017%26ssPageName%3DADME%3AL%3ACOC%3AUS
%3A150
3> Go to order details
Order details
You completed checkout on Mar-31-12
Ship to:
Payment Details:
Total:
Fred Teeboom
PayPal
$13.94
24 Cheyenne Dr
Nashua, NH 03063-3506 US
Seller: osprojectsoftware_us
<http://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/e11400.m1842.l1181/7?euid=6ed9a068ccc74
577a39
ae75bbfec9090&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fmyworld.ebay.co.uk%2Fosprojectsoftware_
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577a39
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Price
Shipping Price
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Item Total
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577a39
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wItem% 26item%3D190608993313%26ssPageName%3DADME%3AL%3AOC%3AUS%3A3160>
Diagram Technical Drawing MS Vision Type Software for Windows 7 PC (
190608993313
<http://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/e11400.m1842.l3160/7?euid=6ed9a068ccc74
577a39
ae75bbfec9090&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2FeBayISAPI.dll%3FVie
wItem% 26item%3D190608993313%26ssPageName%3DADME%3AL%3AOC%3AUS%3A3160>
)
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577a39
ae75bbfec9090&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2FeBayISAPI.dll%3FVie
wItem% 26item%3D190608993313%26ssPageName%3DADME%3AL%3AOC%3AUS%3A1120>
<http://thumbs.ebaystatic.com/pict/190608993313_2.jpg>
http://thumbs.ebaystatic.com/pict/190608993313_2.jpg
Paid on Mar-31-12
$9.95
$3.99
1
$9.95
Economy Shipping from outside US
Estimated delivery: April 18 - May 01, 2012
Subtotal
$9.95
Shipping and Handling
$3.99
Total
$13.94
Fred Teeboom
This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify
it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the License, or
(at your option) any later version.
This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the
GNU General Public License for more details.
You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software
Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307,
USA.
[1] I didn't find anything for (French) "des zigouigouis qui tournent".
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