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Re: Sentience

You know, programs don't (generally?) possess a gift of sentience.


Really?  I'm shocked!  Whatever happened to AI?

But seriously, let's be a little nicer about it.
The program is clearly demonstrating that the average user still does not find the intuitiveness they normally expect. This speaks loudly to anyone interested. I realize that this is someone else's hobby project, but I don't think anyone should be surprised at the questions asked. They all center around the issue of lacking an intuitive interface. This could be remedied. 

Thanks.



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Today's Topics:

    1. Re: DIA Question (Andrey Repin)
    2. Ability to change size of relation in ER-mode? (Reinhard Handler)
    3. Re: DIA Question (Evan William Kilbourne)
    4. Dia (John Samoluk)
    5. Re: DIA Question (Lars R?der)
    6. Re: DIA Question (Evan William Kilbourne)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 17:13:06 +0400
From: Andrey Repin<anrdaemon freemail ru>
To: Evan William Kilbourne<dia-list gnome org>
Subject: Re: DIA Question
Message-ID:<578961668 20111103171306 mtu-net ru>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Greetings, Evan William Kilbourne!


I recently started using the DIA freeware to makes a flowchart for the
organization that I work for. My question is, is there an easy way to fit
all the boxes onto one printable area?


You know, programs don't (generally?) possess a gift of sentience.
They can't know, what exactly you mean by "fit all boxes onto area".
Do you want them scaled down, or just moved? And that's only one of many
possible questions.


I have already made the flowchart, and I don't necessarily want to go
through again and redo the whole thing.


You know you can rearrange blocks and they will keep connections?>.<


Please let me know if this is possible.


It really depends on the exact result you want to achieve, but one thing might
help you: Dia could show you the page grid. All objects that fit inside one
page cell, will be printed on one page.
(Honestly, page grid is displayed by default, how did you missed it?)


Also please let me know if there is a way to standardize the sizes of the
boxes and text.


Double-click the shape on palette.


--
WBR,
Andrey Repin (anrdaemon freemail ru) 03.11.2011,<17:04>

Sorry for my terrible english...



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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2011 18:54:49 +0100
From: Reinhard Handler<reinhard handler gmail com>
To: dia-list gnome org
Subject: Ability to change size of relation in ER-mode?
Message-ID:<4EB183E9 2080803 gmail com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed

Hello!
I'd like to know if there is the ability to change the size of the
relation-object in ER-mode?

Currently the size is defined by the containing text. It would be nice
if I could change the size manually like it is possible with other objects.


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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 11:59:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: Evan William Kilbourne<ekilbour calpoly edu>
To: Andrey Repin<anrdaemon freemail ru>,  discussions about usage and
        development of dia<dia-list gnome org>
Subject: Re: DIA Question
Message-ID:
        <1284019369 274692 1320346785771 JavaMail root przmms02 its calpoly edu>
        
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

Hi,
I'd like them all to be scaled down to fit into one page grid. The page grids are outlined in the solid blue, and I 
don't know how to quickly and efficiently scale every box, text, and line down by the same amount in order to fit it 
into the area. Rearranging the blocks does not necessarily keep the connections. There are lines connected to other 
lines that haven't "snapped" (excuse my lack of technical language, I'm no computer whiz) to the X connection 
points. This was done for aesthetic purposes. While I appreciate your help, or rather your prompt for further 
clarification, please do understand I'm neither a programmer, coder, nor computer whiz.

Evan W. Kilbourne
Business Administration-Accounting
Orfalea College of Business
Cal Poly San Luis Obispo
949-307-8938
evankilbourne gmail com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrey Repin"<anrdaemon freemail ru>
To: "Evan William Kilbourne"<dia-list gnome org>
Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2011 6:13:06 AM
Subject: Re: DIA Question

Greetings, Evan William Kilbourne!


I recently started using the DIA freeware to makes a flowchart for the
organization that I work for. My question is, is there an easy way to fit
all the boxes onto one printable area?


You know, programs don't (generally?) possess a gift of sentience.
They can't know, what exactly you mean by "fit all boxes onto area".
Do you want them scaled down, or just moved? And that's only one of many
possible questions.


I have already made the flowchart, and I don't necessarily want to go
through again and redo the whole thing.


You know you can rearrange blocks and they will keep connections?>.<


Please let me know if this is possible.


It really depends on the exact result you want to achieve, but one thing might
help you: Dia could show you the page grid. All objects that fit inside one
page cell, will be printed on one page.
(Honestly, page grid is displayed by default, how did you missed it?)


Also please let me know if there is a way to standardize the sizes of the
boxes and text.


Double-click the shape on palette.


--
WBR,
Andrey Repin (anrdaemon freemail ru) 03.11.2011,<17:04>

Sorry for my terrible english...

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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2011 14:18:11 -0400
From: John Samoluk<samolukj videotron ca>
To: dia-list gnome org
Subject: Dia
Message-ID:<003c01cc9a54$f2291210$d67b3630$ videotron ca>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Hi



This program has potential; I presently use Visio and DrawPlus X5.



I have a question, when drawing lines is it possible to have line hops on
intersecting lines as in Visio and how can I get rid of the arrow when
drawing lines, use a plain line as default. It would also be nice when
drawing lines in technical diagrams to be able to keep the line tool active
to draw one line after another instead of having to type "L" each time you
want to add a connecting line.

I also find setting the colors confusing using code to select color.



Regards



John



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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 20:32:31 +0100
From: Lars R?der<lars raeder dk>
To: discussions about usage and development of dia
        <dia-list gnome org>
Subject: Re: DIA Question
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Go into page setup and select "Fit to" with 1 x 1.

-Lars

On 3 November 2011 19:59, Evan William Kilbourne<ekilbour calpoly edu>wrote:


Hi,
I'd like them all to be scaled down to fit into one page grid. The page
grids are outlined in the solid blue, and I don't know how to quickly and
efficiently scale every box, text, and line down by the same amount in
order to fit it into the area. Rearranging the blocks does not necessarily
keep the connections. There are lines connected to other lines that haven't
"snapped" (excuse my lack of technical language, I'm no computer whiz) to
the X connection points. This was done for aesthetic purposes. While I
appreciate your help, or rather your prompt for further clarification,
please do understand I'm neither a programmer, coder, nor computer whiz.

Evan W. Kilbourne
Business Administration-Accounting
Orfalea College of Business
Cal Poly San Luis Obispo
949-307-8938
evankilbourne gmail com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrey Repin"<anrdaemon freemail ru>
To: "Evan William Kilbourne"<dia-list gnome org>
Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2011 6:13:06 AM
Subject: Re: DIA Question

Greetings, Evan William Kilbourne!


I recently started using the DIA freeware to makes a flowchart for the
organization that I work for. My question is, is there an easy way to fit
all the boxes onto one printable area?


You know, programs don't (generally?) possess a gift of sentience.
They can't know, what exactly you mean by "fit all boxes onto area".
Do you want them scaled down, or just moved? And that's only one of many
possible questions.


I have already made the flowchart, and I don't necessarily want to go
through again and redo the whole thing.


You know you can rearrange blocks and they will keep connections?>.<


Please let me know if this is possible.


It really depends on the exact result you want to achieve, but one thing
might
help you: Dia could show you the page grid. All objects that fit inside one
page cell, will be printed on one page.
(Honestly, page grid is displayed by default, how did you missed it?)


Also please let me know if there is a way to standardize the sizes of the
boxes and text.


Double-click the shape on palette.


--
WBR,
Andrey Repin (anrdaemon freemail ru) 03.11.2011,<17:04>

Sorry for my terrible english...

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dia-list gnome org
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Main page at http://live.gnome.org/Dia

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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 12:41:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: Evan William Kilbourne<ekilbour calpoly edu>
To: discussions about usage and development of dia
        <dia-list gnome org>
Subject: Re: DIA Question
Message-ID:
        <1985447809 276348 1320349311720 JavaMail root przmms02 its calpoly edu>
        
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That works wonderfully, thanks!

Evan W. Kilbourne
Business Administration-Accounting
Orfalea College of Business
Cal Poly San Luis Obispo
949-307-8938
evankilbourne gmail com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lars R?der"<lars raeder dk>
To: "discussions about usage and development of dia"<dia-list gnome org>
Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2011 12:32:31 PM
Subject: Re: DIA Question


Go into page setup and select "Fit to" with 1 x 1.

-Lars


On 3 November 2011 19:59, Evan William Kilbourne<  ekilbour calpoly edu>  wrote:


Hi,
I'd like them all to be scaled down to fit into one page grid. The page grids are outlined in the solid blue, and I 
don't know how to quickly and efficiently scale every box, text, and line down by the same amount in order to fit it 
into the area. Rearranging the blocks does not necessarily keep the connections. There are lines connected to other 
lines that haven't "snapped" (excuse my lack of technical language, I'm no computer whiz) to the X connection 
points. This was done for aesthetic purposes. While I appreciate your help, or rather your prompt for further 
clarification, please do understand I'm neither a programmer, coder, nor computer whiz.


Evan W. Kilbourne
Business Administration-Accounting
Orfalea College of Business
Cal Poly San Luis Obispo
949-307-8938
evankilbourne gmail com




----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrey Repin"<  anrdaemon freemail ru>
To: "Evan William Kilbourne"<  dia-list gnome org>
Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2011 6:13:06 AM
Subject: Re: DIA Question

Greetings, Evan William Kilbourne!


I recently started using the DIA freeware to makes a flowchart for the
organization that I work for. My question is, is there an easy way to fit
all the boxes onto one printable area?


You know, programs don't (generally?) possess a gift of sentience.
They can't know, what exactly you mean by "fit all boxes onto area".
Do you want them scaled down, or just moved? And that's only one of many
possible questions.


I have already made the flowchart, and I don't necessarily want to go
through again and redo the whole thing.


You know you can rearrange blocks and they will keep connections?>.<


Please let me know if this is possible.


It really depends on the exact result you want to achieve, but one thing might
help you: Dia could show you the page grid. All objects that fit inside one
page cell, will be printed on one page.
(Honestly, page grid is displayed by default, how did you missed it?)


Also please let me know if there is a way to standardize the sizes of the
boxes and text.


Double-click the shape on palette.
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