Steffen, I too believe the features are already there in dia, however most of the shapes/symbols are not. The question was posed to the community to see if any Value Stream Map/Lean (VSM) shapes were already developed so we could start using dia immediately for our VSMs. We are also interested in generating Value Stream Maps automatically from processes within our ERP system, so we will need the data fields, etc. to be there. Attached you can find some examples in a PNG of the VSM symbols/shapes we are talking about to give you a general idea of what we need. (Note: The VSM font referenced is free for non-commercial use only, it is not GPL'd. Link is below.) http://www.ambor.com/public/vsm/vsmfont.html The author notes, "Value Stream Mapping symbols are not standardized and there are many variations. The font contains some of the most common symbols." While I agree with him that there are many variations, there does appear to be a standard shape set that is used and with dia it would be very easy to add other shapes if desired. Kevin
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1. dia Lean Symbols/Shapes for Value Stream Maps (Present
State/Future State) Drawings (Kevin Salisbury)
2. Wrapping Text in Object (Dysier)
3. Re: Wrapping Text in Object (Steffen Macke)
4. Re: Wrapping Text in Object (Jim Clark)
5. RE: Wrapping Text in Object (Kerry, Richard)
6. Re: dia Lean Symbols/Shapes for Value Stream Maps (Present
State/Future State) Drawings (Steffen Macke)
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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 08:40:35 -0400
From: "Kevin Salisbury" <KSalisbury twinman com>
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Subject: dia Lean Symbols/Shapes for Value Stream Maps (Present
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Background Value Stream Mapping References:
IBM Developer Technical Library: How and why to create Value Stream Maps for software engineering projects
<url>
http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/rational/library/10/howandwhytocreatevaluestreammapsforswengineerprojects/index.html?ca=drs-
Wikipedia Value Stream Mapping <url>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value_stream_mapping
We're very interested in using dia for our lean Vale Stream Maps, however there doesn't appear to be any dia
shapes on the net that fit this usage. Before we embark on creating open/gnu "intelligent" dia shapes per
this; http://dia-installer.de/howto/create_shape/index.html.en we are wondering if anyone else has started
something similar yet? If so, we will join the effort, and if not we'll start from scratch.
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Kevin Salisbury
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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 17:32:43 -0700
From: Dysier <dysier gmail com>
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Am I missing something? If I place down an object and then begin filling
this object with text, the object grows in width. Clearly this would only
jack everything up when building a flow chart. It would be nice if I could
set the width of the object (which by default would be the last dimension
that I set), and have the text wrap around automatically changing the height
instead. Any suggestions? Thanks
~Dysier
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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 18:21:30 +0200
From: Steffen Macke <sdteffen gmail com>
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Hi Dysier,
your point is valid. Automatic text wrapping would be nice but it would
cause problems for those that
prefer to place their linebreaks themselves. If you're worried about a
fixed width, you may also be
worried about a fixed height and automatic text wrap would cause height
change problems. Unless
you start scaling the text at the same time. But this will result in
strange looking diagrams (random
text size).
Have you thought about setting (reducing) the default text size for the
object you're using to a value
that would allow you to stay well within the desired size of your objects?
If you have a fixed width in mind, why don't you start with resizing
your objects to that size and wrap your texts accordingly during text
entry? I would expect much more sensible results than any
automatic text wrapping could produce.
Regards,
Steffen
Am I missing something? If I place down an object and then begin filling this object with text, the object grows in width. Clearly this would only jack everything up when building a flow chart. It would be nice if I could set the width of the object (which by default would be the last dimension that I set), and have the text wrap around automatically changing the height instead. Any suggestions? Thanks
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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 11:36:17 -0500
From: Jim Clark <jclark00 us ibm com>
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This is a sometimes exasperating thing for me, and here's how I happily
solved it.
After I complete a diagram, I export it to png and do a bit of touch up in
the GIMP. I can align my boxes more accurately and add a pixel or two to my
arrow heads. I can also cut and paste text from a box that got shoved to a
bit larger size.
But what I love about this is that it forces me to keep my text very terse.
I use the same size boxes on all my flow charts, and after having made
hundreds I've found I can always compress and tighten and simplify the text
to fit. If additional explanation is required, I place it alongside the
appropriate box.
I realize this is probably not the "preferred" solution, but this creates
lovely diagrams.
Thanks-
Jim Clark
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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 18:29:37 +0200
From: "Kerry, Richard" <richard kerry siemens com>
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Subject: RE: Wrapping Text in Object
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Surely you want to it to be configurable.
For some documents you want the text to wrap so the object keeps its size.
For others you could just let the object grow.
Just looked at Visio.
Keep typing, the object maintains its width, auto-wrapping on spaces.
If a word is too long to fit the width, it just gets wrapped.
The object gets taller if you keep adding text to it.
Ie they give priority to the width of the object but allow its height to increase.
That's for a rectangle.
Diamonds (decisions) just keep their size constant. The text behaves like for a rectangle, ie its width is
constant but it'll spread above and below the diamond.
Helpfully,
Maybe,
Richard.
-----Original Message----- From: dia-list-bounces gnome org [mailto:dia-list-bounces gnome org] On Behalf Of Steffen Macke Sent: 21 July 2010 17:22 To: discussions about usage and development of dia Subject: Re: Wrapping Text in Object Hi Dysier, your point is valid. Automatic text wrapping would be nice but it would cause problems for those that prefer to place their linebreaks themselves. If you're worried about a fixed width, you may also be worried about a fixed height and automatic text wrap would cause height change problems. Unless you start scaling the text at the same time. But this will result in strange looking diagrams (random text size). Have you thought about setting (reducing) the default text size for the object you're using to a value that would allow you to stay well within the desired size of your objects? If you have a fixed width in mind, why don't you start with resizing your objects to that size and wrap your texts accordingly during text entry? I would expect much more sensible results than any automatic text wrapping could produce. Regards, SteffenAm I missing something? If I place down an object and then begin filling this object with text, the object grows in width. Clearly this would only jack everything up when building a flow chart. It would be nice if I could set the width of the object (whichby defaultwould be the last dimension that I set), and have the textwrap aroundautomatically changing the height instead. Any suggestions? Thanks_______________________________________________ dia-list mailing list dia-list gnome org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list FAQ at http://live.gnome.org/Dia/Faq Main page at http://live.gnome.org/Dia
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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 20:43:15 +0200
From: Steffen Macke <sdteffen gmail com>
To: discussions about usage and development of dia
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Subject: Re: dia Lean Symbols/Shapes for Value Stream Maps (Present
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Kevin,
could you describe in a little bit more detail which features the
existing shapes are missing?
Is there some further processing that you would like to do with the Diagram?
I just had a look at the IBM examples and there shouldn't be any problem
to draw those
figures in Dia.
Regards,
Steffen
We're very interested in using dia for our lean Vale Stream Maps, however there doesn't appear to be any dia shapes on the net that fit this usage. Before we embark on creating open/gnu "intelligent" dia shapes per this;
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